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Condor
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posted 11-29- 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

As I am putting engine damage into the fighters, those with a moving canopy have a problem. As soon as I save the .sm file in OPS(whether I added any code or not), the file gets smaller by about 15,000 bytes. Also the moving canopy section now is located below the pilots legs! It still does work, although it looks rather strange. I have attempted to correct this by adjusting the origin Y axis property, but every time I do this, OPS crashes.

Does anyone know why the canopy is getting moved below the pilots legs? Does anyone know how I can prevent this from happening or give me some guidance as to how to correctly reposition the canopy?

Thanks,

Condor out

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jedi
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posted 11-29- 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jedi   Click Here to Email jedi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's probably happening is that when you save the airplane.sm file, you are also saving the cockpit.sm file referenced inside it. The canopy is probably part of the cockpit file, and the new version of OPS sometimes messes up the "imbedded" .sm files if you save them.

There should be an option that allows you to "display save options" when you save a file. Make sure you check "Do NOT save referenced files" in the save options. If you want to modify a cockpit.sm file, open that file itself, not the aircraft file.

If the canopy is not part of a cockpit.sm file, but part of the aircraft itself, you should be able to move it around using the part tool in OPS. Failing that, you should be able to "edit-copy" and "edit-paste" a copy of the canopy into the model, and move THAT around, and then delete the original and rename the copy.

You can also move the canopy part in your 3D program, but that's a lot of trial-and-error, since you can't see where it's going to be until you reopen the model in OPS.

Oh yeah, just remembered. Make sure you're looking at the correct .lod. You may be looking at a 2nd- or 3rd-level .lod that hasn't been properly positioned. The canopy usually has 3 .lods. The first one is only seen from inside the cockpit. The second is a "close-up" .lod for high-detail external views, and the third is for long-range externals, like in a dogfight. These .lods can ALL be in different places, and moving the first one will move them all, while moving a lower-level .lod will just move that one. It can get REAL confusing in OPS if you're not clear on which .lod you're looking at, and when it should be visible in the game.

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Condor
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posted 11-29- 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jedi,

I will give the save options thing a try. If that does not work, then I will try to attempt to figure out which lod I am working with. Wish me luck.

Condor out

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ArgonV
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posted 11-29- 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This happens with the Ju87, Fw-190s, Zeros and Bf-109s..... Seems to happen with mposis planes more because to my knowladge, he doesnt use OPS thus OPS screws some things that he has done. Ive had this happen but moving the file refrence with the canopy in it back to where it was origonally worked for me without any crashes.

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Condor
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posted 11-29- 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ArgonV,

How exactly did you move the canopy reference back into place?

Thanks,

Condor out

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Zurawski
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posted 11-29- 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...You select the canopy in OPS and move it as you normally would move a part ... position it where it "belongs" and save. Upon re-opening it you'll see the canopy will now stay where it's supposed to ...

(you have no idea how long it took (and how many time I sent files back to Mposis to fix) before I figured this out! (I stupidly thought they were being deleted!)

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Condor
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posted 11-29- 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zur,

I can't select the moving part of the canopy. Every time I try to select it, the main body(forwar part of the fuselage) of the plane gets selected. Please try it with the a6m5 zero for youself and let me know if you can select it. I will keep trying too.

Thanks,

Condor out

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Zurawski
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posted 11-29- 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehehe... After I posted I thought that might confuse you...

You can select the canopy from the left-hand view menu from the reference tree. Just click on the root-text for the canopy and it'll select the entire canopy.

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Condor
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posted 11-29- 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zur and thanks!

No pressure...the future of engine damage depends on this canopy fix working.

I will let you know what happens.

Condor out

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ArgonV
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posted 11-29- 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, if you are using OPS v1.30, you can right click on the main aircraft model on the left screen and then click on hide. Then it will no longer be in your way!

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Condor
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posted 11-29- 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zur, Argonv,

I am using OPS 1.30. Zur, does that impact the method you described above about moving the canopy piece?

Thanks,

Condor out

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ArgonV
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posted 11-29- 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only select and move the actuall file refrence. Not the part (canopy) inside the file refrence.

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Condor
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posted 11-30- 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No luck.

I will try and email you guys. Please give it a try as soon as you can and let me know how you did it. Call me OPS challenged cause I certainly am.

Thanks,

Condor out

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ArgonV
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posted 11-30- 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check your mail...

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Condor
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posted 12-01- 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condor   Click Here to Email Condor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi ArgonV,

Thanks very much! I am all set now with the ones you fixed and I have even fixed a few of my own.

The future for engine damage once again looks very bright.

Condor out

[This message has been edited by Condor (edited 12-01-2000).]

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