posted 08-20- 09:13 PM               

I made a bullet hole object. Copied it over and over on a wing. Hid them all. Then in the properties for the wing, I added this to obDamage.

onDmg 1(obUnhide 'Hit1 obUnhide 'Hit2 obUnhide 'Hit3 obUnhide 'Hit4)

onDmg 2(obUnhide 'Hit5 obUnhide 'Hit6 obUnhide 'Hit7 obUnhide 'Hit8)

and so on. I looks really good, and shows up immediately, not like a switchin. Best of all, you do not have to load a damage texture for the whole plane. You can paint the bullet hole to look however you want. I used the bullet hole texture from Tailslide's site (I hope it's ok TS) and you can resize it etc. This can be added to any plane with little trouble. If you don't want to wait for the next beta, send me an email, and I will send you a copy of the BulletHit.sm and what I have done so far.

I am really excited about this, for all planes.

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posted 08-20- 09:42 PM               

It is time consuming, but very fun.

posted 08-20- 09:47 PM               

Good Idea and nice visual.

posted 08-20- 11:03 PM               

I had thought of this before. I just figured there was a problem with it or we would have been doing it way earlier

In fact I can't belive it wasn't done with the release of the game.

K if this is possible couldn't we do a couple instead of just the one texture?

LIke some larger ones. Some ones for rips and fire damage?

Maybe some on the glass? hmm?

spiderweb the glass after its been hit?

Holes with oil and fuel streaks?

posted 08-20- 11:14 PM               

I don't mind at all.

posted 08-21- 01:04 AM               

1.When you open it up in OPS, just click on "Hit" (The name of the main object) and copy it

2. Now open a plane you want to place them on

3. Click on the part of the plane you want to show the hits

4. Paste, and position where you want it to show up. (just barly above the surface of the object - so you can see it)

5. Now click on the plane part again and paste again, Note - everytime you paste the name will increase in number Ex. Hit3 the next will be Hit4

6. Once you have placed them where you want, go back and hide them

7. In the onDamage for that part, just add "onDmg 1(obUnhide 'Hit1 obUnhide 'Hit2 obUnhide 'Hit3 obUnhide 'Hit4)"

You can do this for several damage levels, and yes, you could make some bigger for cannon hits, (You just have to keep the size small enough so it fits on small flat surfaces)

BTW, Thanks for the mention in your article over at Combatsim.com Great job on that.

It seems SDOE is the sim that just won't die.

posted 08-21- 03:14 AM               

Excellent and so simple.

If you put a variety of holes, you could use obProb to vary it a little. This could even let me do the nose damage I wanted on the '17......

posted 08-21- 08:06 AM               

One problem is that, when the plane hits the ground or another plane, you get bullet holes! But this happens with the damage skins as well. Wouldn't it be nice if we had an 'onBulletHitsLevel property?

It does add allot Raider, and it must save a ton of precious texture memory - sweet!

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WWI in SDOE!

posted 08-21- 08:18 AM               

No prob man.

posted 08-21- 03:51 PM               

These are just 6 verts with one surface and normal texture. Shouldn't hurt FR too bad. I set them to a view distance of 10000, so other planes have to be close to see them.

obProb should work, I found that I can unhide a whole string in one command

onDmg 1 (obUnhide 'Hit, 'Hit1, 'Hit2, 'Hit3, 'Hit4)

posted 08-21- 05:18 PM            

The whole thing is unbelievably time consuming, though. Just unbelievable.

posted 08-21- 05:45 PM               

To rotate, once you get it close just;

hold down the "Ctrl" key while moving/rotating with the Cursor keys & "Home" & "End", This will give you micro movements.

Use the Shift key with the cursor keys will give you big movements.

Yes very very time consuming.

Can't wait to see this in action.

posted 08-21- 06:49 PM               

Could you add an obFunc to the bullet.sm to randomly unhide different patterns of bullet holes so they're not exactly the same every time?

TS

posted 08-21- 09:00 PM               

If you wanted to create several "bullet pattern" objects "custom fit" to a wing or fuselage, this might work...

1) Make a duplicate wing in OPS. Move it to the exact position of the "real" wing.

2) Open your duplicate wing in AC3D or whatever. Position your bullet holes using the zoom-in so that the holes are just "above" the surface of your wing.

3) Merge the wing and holes into a single object. Now you have a fake wing with "perfectly" aligned holes.

4) Delete all the surfaces of the fake wing. Now you have "holes in space" that are perfectly lined up with the wing, and prepositioned to line up perfectly in OPS (I think). So no movement in OPS should be required.

5) Save the "holes" as the fake wing object.

Now how do I get some of these holes? We ought to be able to do oil leaks, scorch marks, "rips" with structure visible underneath, etc.

You guys are a lot smarter than you look

posted 08-22- 04:54 PM               

We need a couple for glass. And some more for oil steaks

posted 08-22- 10:30 PM               

Until just the other day, I was thinking that we would have to use a hit box to unhide the bullet lods, then I finally figured out to just use the obDamage model of the part they are applied too.

I will upload the BulletHit.sm and the texture tonight and post it in the download section. (Hope to have final beta of the P-51D minus the FM work this week)

Jerry, you are right, that is an exit hole. I am more of a DM guy than an artist. I tried to do a textrue myself and it looked like crap, so to get things started I just used the best bullet hole I could find. It will not be long before some of the art guys come up with some really good stuff.

posted 08-23- 01:49 AM               

One trick I figured out is to Paste one hit on a part, Then paste the other hits to the first one. That way you only have to Hide and UnHide the first one. I figured this out only after having almost covered the whole P-51 with these little holes.

Bryan, all the guns in SDOE only fire a real round every other shot. (Here is my guess why) I think is was a trade-off for online use. Maybe the hits could not be sent fast enough, so they only made every-other round fired have impact, then doubled the damage it did. (End of guess)

Most of the time a wing may be hit by only one round, maybe two. You would not get the rippled effect of bullet holes you want. Also it would obstruct some of the damage passed on to the wing. This could still be useful.

You could say if you Hit12, unhide Hit13, Hit14, Hit15, if you Hit13, unhide Hit16, Hit18 and Hit22, etc. That would give it some randomness

posted 08-23- 03:46 AM               

The main reason is probably that even offline the engine will have to calculate hit detection and ballistics modelling for alot of objects if alot of guns fired at full rate. one Hurri or Spit 1a is going to pump out 160 rounds per second,which are going to hang around for a few seconds, so you could easily get a huge amount of bullets that need tracking and hit detection.

Anyway, I don't think I want to spend three weeks lining up hundreds of little bullet holes. Ultimatly no one is going to know where a bullet hit anyway, so a randomised set of bullet holes would be just as effective.

Is there anyway to put a delay in the obUnhides to simulate the ripple?

posted 08-23- 08:52 AM               

Thanks Bryan, that makes sense about the tracking of all those rounds. BTW this all started as a stupid idea. so if that is your version of a stupid idea, Keep um coming.

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posted 08-23- 09:37 AM               

BulletHit.sm - Fighter Squadron/Media/effects directory
BulletHit.tif - Fighter Squadron/Media/effects/textures directory

Be sure to check the readme.txt

BulletHit.sm Download

posted 08-23- 09:38 AM            

LWTip
  lwtipspray1
    lwtipspray1bullet1
    lwtipspray1bullet2
    lwtipspray1bullet3
  lwtipspray2
    lwtipspray2bullet1
    lwtipspray2bullet2
    lwtipspray2bullet3

The the obUnhide property is sent to the sprays, which will unhide their children, i.e. the bullet holes. The spray objects have no LODs, they just own the holes and set the properties.

Thanks for reminding me to set obNoCollide properties to the bullets, I completely forgot about that.
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/Bjorn.

posted 08-23- 09:39 AM               

I posted a message 5 months ago requesting bullet holes to help let the pilot know approximately how bad the plane has been damaged and now it may come true.

I hope this idea is truely used on all planes and soon.

Thanks for the continued improvement to sdoe.

Mike Harrison should really have you guys working for him. Think how good sdoe could have been from the start if you were part of the development team.

Did I mention this is REALLY HUGE?

Condor out

posted 08-23- 10:13 AM               

Condor, ask and you shall receive I have always wanted a fighter sim with a good feel, moving control surfaces and damage that you could see. You should be able to look at the gauges and look around to tell how bad you are damaged.

posted 08-23- 11:19 AM               

Thanks,

Condor out