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Aladar Pilot	posted 08-03- 10:40 PM Right now the 110 is way to weak to even fly. The right horizontal stabilizer rips off at 300mph, and the wings flex a bit to easily. Now, I took the FM and DM from the Ju88. Another question, when the wings ripp off, how do you place the damage pieces? Ya know, the objects that have all the jagged pieces. No pictures since texturing began, all thats left to texture are the flaps and ailerons. ------------------ "Don't move, if we scatter, he'll pick us off! Stand Together!"~~Aladar Thats 24 times to see Disneys Dinosaur and counting!! IP: Logged
wakeup tailgunner Pilot	posted 08-04- 04:50 AM Thats just too freaky for words. One of the problems that lead me to trash my efforts on a 110 was just the same. Wings fell of at 300+ Mine was based on a mosquito. Interesting to see what the solution is. ( ings falling off was only one of many probs. also had texture probs, and the model had badly screwed normals..) IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 08-04- 08:04 AM You need to strengthen the springs in the wings and things... ok I just had to get that out of my system. Each wing part has a both a horizontal and verticle spring DOF that allows for wings to bend, flex, and rip off at a certain critical velocity (my current bird needs it's mid wing springs improved since harsh turns cause it to seperate). I can't remember the syntax to look for, but I think you need to increase the dampening and the max for the spring DOF. Flex is only cool when you want it. IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 08-04- 08:16 AM Ha ! I'm really dissapointed Aladar ! What kind of sht is this here ? If I remember it right - you should have the latest version of the Pe-2 I gave out to the "beta-test-team". Dated 28-07-2000, so it is pretty new and lots of the complicate DM stuff is in. And you ? You decided to use the Ju88.sm as base ? It took me a long time and lots of work to overcome the hardcoded DM of the shipped planes (i.e. detaching engine models etc.) and all the other "shortcommings" in there- now I see how you rate my work, not worth for usage by you eh ? No man, I'm really upset, but don't get me wrong - sure, make your own DM - I dont care anymore, but the idea of having compatible DMs in the planes is gone with such behaviour. Thanks Aladar for the respect, and for all the mails you send to me and ask for help/tips on making a twin engined plane Thats the way I like it. However, dont get me wrong, I know the Pe-2 is not the "nonplusultra" and I'm really not "Mr. Iknowitall" - I hope you do a good job. LK IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 08-04- 09:56 AM Whoaahh! Who gave Laika 801 a bumble bee enema? If I had been doing the 110 and had the pre-public release Pe-2 as an available base for a twin, I probably wouldn't use it since I wouldn't want to step on Laika 801's toes. As it is, not a lot of people feel comfy working on the same model of aircraft that someone else is working on. That is why it has taken nearly all week for someone to take a shot at the 110 and that appears to be the norm. It is kind of a taboo around here to use stuff without permissions. (BTW, whoever made the P47D, I stole your props for the current project I am doing since they fir the bill nicely). Anyways, I'd personally feel like I was wearing your underware to make a conversion on one of your planes, as I would for anyone elses planes. I imagine, Aladar felt the same at the time. If it hurts your feelings that he isn't using the Pe-2 as a base, he might have narry a problem to use it, if it means that much. IP: Logged
Aladar Pilot	posted 08-04- 10:50 AM Sorry Laika , the thing is the Pe2 has three crewmembers and all I need are two, and removing the groups is a real bitch. IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 08-04- 12:35 PM Huh ? Its that simple to delete on of the crew members : Select 'Navigator or 'RadOp (which is the 3rd member of the crew) and hit "delete" on your keyboard. What to hell is the problem with this ?? I can't see any ! Whirlwind - I dont wan't to tell Aladar what he had to do, this is his personal thing - I'm simply dissapointed. If you read my posts in the Damage Model topics around, it becomes clear that I would be glad to give something back to the comunity, i.e. the Pe-2 as a base for new projects. Might be it is my fault - thinking that serious plane builders would read topics which cover DM/FM and such themes - it seems I'm wrong. LK IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 08-04- 02:12 PM So what ? Aladar - I know, its hard, you thought all is fine and then bad nasty LK comes along and...think it all over man ! You can use the Pe-2 and you can ask if there arise any questions related to the Pe-2.sm and all that stuff ! Guess why did I need that long for that plane, cause it was not that easy ! Would it be too hard to rebuild the model with the Pe-2 as a base ? However - I like the Bf110 - so please dont rush it out LK IP: Logged
charmstar Pilot	posted 08-04- 02:15 PM I feel that the Pe-2 would be a good base to start from, but each person should do what they prefer with their own plane. Aladar will still be able to use the Pe2 as a model for how to do FM/DM, he will just have to manually plug all of the info in (or copy/paste). Anyhow, Laika, it isn't worth getting too irritated about. Sometimes in life you will find somebody saying that the way they come up with 1 is by doing 2 + 2 - 2 + 2 - 3. You tell them why not just start with 1 to begin with, but they don't want to change their way. Well, who cares if the end result is still the same 1? As long as it isn't you going to the extra trouble, its no skin off your back, right? :-) charm IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 08-04- 02:26 PM If you want, and it would make you feel better, I could use your plane as a base for what I am working on now. Sorry, no screenshots until I get farther along, like done to the point where I look for volunteers to skin it and it needs a little fm tweaking . IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 08-04- 03:39 PM I agree 99% charmstar - in all aspects except one small thing quote: Aladar will still be able to use the Pe2 as a model for how to do FM/DM, he will just have to manually plug all of the info in (or copy/paste). " Would be not that easy, at least some code of the DM is bound to the parent-child structure in the .sm file, and it could be hard to redo all the function calls etc... However - this is of course Aladars decision ! Whirlwind - I would suggest you just take a look at the .sm file when it is out (release in 3-5 days), if you like it and if it would "fit" you can use it and I would be glad LK IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 08-04- 03:46 PM Well, nothing will 'fit' from any plane, as it is I am testing on something close, but using the Pe-2 will be better since I only need to add as opposed to delete from it IP: Logged
Aladar Pilot	posted 08-04- 03:49 PM I need to learn, so still take pride that I am learning through observing your success with the Pe2! IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 08-04- 05:05 PM Laika's been spending a lot (too much? ) time on the DM for the pe-2. Get out and enjoy some sunshine ! hehe When the pe-2 gets released and everyone sees how good it is I hope you don't mind us stealing the DM on it, its very good. I love how the props go flying off on a belly landing. TS IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 08-04- 05:28 PM Laika, for only your second plane, and a first release comming soon, it will be more complete than planes that have ben out for a while. Im glad you have a nack for completeness I only wish more people were deticated to completeness as you. IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 08-04- 07:16 PM quote: Laika's been spending a lot (too much? ) time on the DM for the pe-2. Get out and enjoy some sunshine ! HEHE - Ahh I really take it easy now - Tail - don't forget that I still had a dog to take care off, so I'm out in the "sunshine" (actually it is more "rainy") for 2-4 hours per day - yeah - thats how students live here LK IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 08-04- 07:58 PM quote: I only need to add as opposed to delete from it -- Ha! IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 08-04- 08:05 PM Aladar - be sure, I'll be very critical seriously - it seems the crowd is not really interested in a progress with the plane DM's and their "visual behavior", "huch" I dont give a sht ! anymore (at least tonight) LK [img] http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~re723888/eek2.gif[/img] IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 08-04- 08:30 PM It would be nice to be able to shoot down a plane without having to blow a wing off or two.... IP: Logged
Aladar Pilot	posted 08-04- 08:32 PM Knock out the engines, or shoot off half of a wing. Laika, dont worry about it. ------------------ "Don't move, if we scatter, he'll pick us off! Stand Together!"~~Aladar Thats 24 times to see Disneys Dinosaur and counting!! IP: Logged

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