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Robert
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posted 04-27- 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert   Click Here to Email Robert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I´m just wondering, are the engine RPM instruments in the planes really working right? It seems they run at a constant 3000 RPM, except for when the engine is shut off, then it drops to zero. And it never goes over 3000 aswell, though it should.
I noticed this today when I took the J21 I´m working on a testflight. First I thought it was something I had done, but I checked the other planes they seemed to work the same.
Maybe this is something you´ve already noticed. Or maybe I am wrong. Maybe I really have messed things up when I´ve fiddled with OPS. If so, what?!
Or does the RPM show the prop´s rotation p/min? The RPM drops as I feather the prop, and engine on full throttle, so that must be it? Or...

Enlighten me please.

Regards/Robert

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Tailslide
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posted 04-27- 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The planes work on constant RPM variable pitch. The pitch of the prop changes and the RPM stays the same as you move the throttle. The regulator for this in SDOE is alot more effective than the real deal so you don't even see RPM vary at all on the guages.

TS

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Robert
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posted 04-27- 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert   Click Here to Email Robert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Tailslide!

I was puzzled because I saw in OPS that most aircraft had 4500 as the highest RPM, but they never seemed to run as high as that.

/Robert

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jedi
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posted 04-27- 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jedi   Click Here to Email jedi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The RPM is modeled right, but wrong The SDOE planes have a "pure" constant speed prop on them, similar to what you'd find on a modern turboprop airliner or the C-130. Now matter what you do with the throttle, the prop blades will change "pitch" to keep the engine at 100%.

You can see this at work a little bit: take your throttle, pull it back about half way, and then slam it to max. You'll see the RPM jump up a tiny bit, then come back to what it was at. The only way to actually vary the RPM is to pull the nose way up and pull the throttle to idle. As the speed bleeds off, the prop will reach its minimum pitch trying to get back to full RPM, and once it can't decrease pitch any further, the RPM will "decay." You can also see this on landing when you slow down to taxi speed.

The manifold pressure guage is also screwed up. It is set up to read "cylinder head temp" or something like that, so it works more or less like an on/off switch with the engine.

Now, how is it REALLY supposed to work? In a piston-engined light aircraft with a "constant-speed" prop, the prop is really only constant-speed AFTER you select your desired RPM. AFAIK, this is how the fighters with constant-speed props were set up in the war. You set an RPM, and then vary your manifold pressure for power. The regulator in the prop varies the blade angle to maintain the SET RPM, not max power. If you wanted max power (speed) you'd set max RPM on the prop, and max boost on the manifold press. If you wanted best climb, that would be a combination of RPM and boost for long-duration, max climbing efficiency, and would vary from aircraft to aircraft.

Interestingly enough, while the Spit, F4U, P-51, and I think the 190 had constant-speed props, the Bf-109 had instead a "variable-pitch" prop. On this prop you set the desired pitch, and allowed the RPM to vary with airspeed and power. If you slowed down, the RPM would slow down. Speed up, and the RPM would follow. You'd have a whole slew of prop and power settings for takeoff, climb, combat, landing, cruise, etc.

The only combat sims I've seen where you can actually control the prop are CFS and Aces High.

The Corsair model was originally set up to mirror throttle position on the RPM guage and the boost guage. This is pretty much correct for the boost guage (as long as the engine is running) but not really correct for the RPM, since the guage IS set up correctly to show engine RPM, it's just that the prop and engine aren't really as adjustable as they should be. The next version of the Hog will be set up with boost guage mirroring the throttle, and RPM guage back to normal, monitoring the mostly-unchanging engine RPM. The Jug is also set up this way, and IMO that should probably be the standard as we refine the airplanes.


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