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Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-27- 02:53 AM I just though of an awesome addition to OPS that would be really easy to add.. a tape measure. Since all the planes are done to scale, it would make it alot easier to update and double check parts of the FM if we had a tape measure. Especially useful to measure the chord of the different wing sections (most planes use the same chord for both the wingtip and the wing root sections!) TS ------------------ Patch It! TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 04-27- 05:15 AM Spanky here.. Now that is a good idea. I personally would like better control of the camera. I hate it the way it is now. What if you could put it in a mode where it was sitting on a grid ground. And have the camera move like the movable camera in SDOE? but get as close as you want? Everyone knows how to use it and its pretty damn good. You woudl just need to add a pan feature to it. also can you make it start maximized? with tool bars all at the top? mine always has to be maximized and i have to move the toolbars up so they don't take up so much space. Heres a pic of how I like mine layed out. Is there anyway for it to save that layout so I don't have to do that ever time i start it up? One thing that I really like that save screen space for us NON 17-21" screen people. Is slide aways. Like the start bar on win95-98. I run litestep as my desktop and it has a slide away bar that goes to the side. Its great and the whole screen is clear except for what ever is in my system tray when its hidden. and i can make that slide too. Also i have seen some windows stuff get rid of that top blue bar. Its pretty useless as long as you include the min, min/max, and close in teh file menu. [This message has been edited by Spanky the Mad Dog (edited 04-27-2000).] IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 04-27- 07:59 AM Check this out: I had to re-install my 3d glasses, for some reason they were messed up. Well now they work again, but I got a bonus! I can do OPS work in 3D!!! It is fun positioning parts, like they are real!!! ------------------ -Sv =FC= WWI in SDOE! IP: Logged
Robert Pilot	posted 04-27- 10:34 AM Sv! That sounds very cool, that really must bring that third dimension to it. Tailslide, a ruler would be great. If your reading this Bryan, and decides to implement a ruler/tape measure in a future version , could you make it in both feet/inches and meters/centimeters? That would make things easier aswell because I think different people in this community are used to different systems. The window being maximized from the start is a good idea too, I think. Perhaps, these are minor things though, but they would be a bonus. It´s a great program you´ve done, Bryan! I´m very glad I´m taking my time trying to learn it. /Robert [This message has been edited by Robert (edited 04-27-2000).] [This message has been edited by Robert (edited 04-28-2000).] IP: Logged
Mighty Pilot	posted 04-27- 05:17 PM For the maximized thing, you should be able to set that from the shortcut you use to start the program. Look in the properties under the shortcut tab. You should see a combo box labeled "Run." The default is "Normal Window" Or does he override that from within the program? IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 04-27- 05:31 PM Spanky here... MIghty is there a common switch i could use if i'm NOT using a shortcut? IP: Logged
Bryan Russell Pilot	posted 04-27- 09:06 PM Do you want the tape measure to measure the distance between verts, or just a visual thing? The visual thing might be tricky until I can get a non-perspective view working right. Spanky: It not to hard to save and restore the position and size of the main window and probably the toolbars as well, I just never got around to it. I'll make a special effort just for you next release The shortcut stuff should work fine, why wouldn't you want to use a short cut? The slide away thing sounds cool, I would probably implement it as a clean hide unhide, however, at least on my system the 3D view takes some time to resize so it might negate any benifit it would provide. Robert, who uses Feet and inches anymore anyway? IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-27- 09:10 PM Bryan, between verts may not work so well as I need to measure midpoint along the wing section. Would it be possible to snap the view to directly above or directly to the side and then just draw in two dimensions? I really only need to measure width and height from the top and the sides. Most of the stats are listed in feet but I'd be happy to convert them. TS ------------------ Patch It! TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 04-28- 05:31 AM Spanky here... Bryan. Thanks for taking my thougts into consideration. BTW why have it hide and unhide? I'm talking have it go right OVER the 3d window. Or can you do that? You should cause i have a panel that slides over it all the time. What do you think about the 3d view with the plane on a mesh or translusent ground? I think it would be WAY easyer to look at it. Yeah that 2d view sounds really good tail. That could rock. IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-28- 03:46 PM Another very helpful feature would be a tool that either lets you draw an outline around a part and determine it's area or automatically does it. Handy for finding out exactly how much surface area in those wing tips. TS IP: Logged
Bryan Russell Pilot	posted 04-28- 11:43 PM I just use scale drawing for this, after all the actual mesh is just a loose reprsentation of the shape IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-28- 11:46 PM It'd be a tad easier for me to update 8 or 10 planes if I didn't have to dig out a three view of every plane and take a ruler to it. It'd be a nice feature that would make it easier for people to make their planes fly better but I understand if it's too hard for you to add. I'll make a 'ruler' in max paste it onto the plane and measure them that way.. not the ideal way to measure a curved area tho. TS [This message has been edited by Tailslide (edited 04-28-2000).] IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-29- 12:18 AM I know! I'll make a grid in max then load it into opstudio and count the overlapping squares. I don't need an exact number since the stats always give wing area I just need an approximate ratio for the root and wingtip sections.. this will be an easy procedure for anyone to follow when they're FM'ing their planes too.. Never mind, problem solved TS IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-29- 02:56 AM IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 04-29- 10:28 PM Spanky here... Great stuff man. I thought wing area was defined in a # in OPS though? What exactly would ya use this for? IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-30- 03:38 AM It gives you a quick and easy way to measure things assuming your wing outline was done to scale from a three-view. For instance, I know the Yak has 160 square feet of wing. Thats 80 feet per wing. However, we need to know how much of that is in the wing root and wing section I created in the 3d model. Looking at the above diagram, I roughly count 39 squares in the root area and 29 in the tip area.. thats little short of the 80 square feet but it gives you an idea of what the proportions are. So I take this ratio, which works out to 57% root and 43% tip, divide up the 80 square feet and I get 45.6 root and 34.4 tip. Then I plug these values into the wing area for each section. Same for chord of each seciton. NOTE that aspect ratio is for the ENTIRE wing so you want all sections to have the same aspect ratio value (winspan squared divided by area). TS ------------------ Patch It! TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-30- 03:41 AM Hmm.. now that I look at it again, they must be counting the area under the fuselage in the wing area.. thats another 8 square feet on the root section. TS IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 04-30- 07:51 PM Also before I had average chord for the entire wing applied to both sections (5.6 feet). Now I can read from this the average chord of my main wing section is approx 6 feet and the average chord of the tip section is approx 4 feet. TS IP: Logged

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