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Topic: Go229
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Tiger2
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posted 03-15- 07:16 AM
   
Having looked at Roadtoads Go229 site, I quickly recalled some old info on this plane which didn't seem to agree with their FM. The Go229, according to my records, handled awesomely and was stressed to 7G. Roadtoad may probably be correct in saying that the Go229, with it's large wingspan is a slow turner. However I am doughtful this is the case. I am assuming it was modelled this way because of game coding and not to match the anticipated FM? (just read on a site that it was reputable turner ( 'able to out-trun the zero' !!! http://www.cnd.net/~kais/ac/jets/jets.htm)
Anyway, Roadtoad, it is still an awesome thing you are doing so keep going and don't take offence. In fact I have seen some awesome colour pics close up that show the cockpit region very well. It must be damn hard to get the cockpit/ engine integration right on the 3d model and these colour pics would help greatly. I could try and find them if you like. IP: Logged |
goth
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posted 03-15- 07:26 AM
I couldn't read the link. It gave me a 404 error. If its still an active link, I'd like to read what you found. This is my favorite plane.IP: Logged |
Tiger2
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posted 03-15- 07:44 AM
Definitely current-was jsut there
Just search on infoseek.com or hotbot.com for 'Horten IX' or 'go229' (gotha). You may have to sift thru some rubbish to find something. Those colour pics, I seem to recall, are in a current flight mag in Australia. I believe the inscription was along the lines of 'Go299 undergoing restoration'! Why I don't buy these things I don't know. I shall be going straight to the newsagent tommorrow. If I can get 'em I'll post em.IP: Logged |
jedi
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posted 03-15- 08:44 AM
I wasn't aware that it ever even flew in real life. As for being able to outturn the Zero, well, pretty doubtful. It is a swept wing, after all, which has relatively poor low speed flight characteristics, unless you have slats and flaps all over it, like an airliner.That said, there's no reason why it shouldn't be able to turn as well as, say, the Me-262. Large wingspan does not necessarily imply poor turn capability. The P-38 was a good turning plane. ------------------
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goth
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posted 03-15- 08:54 AM
Tiger2-
I've been to a lot of sits on the plane, and read a book on it. I was wanting to see the info you found on comparing its turn rate.Jedi-
Yep, it flew. At least its test version did. The pilot reported it had very good flight characteristics. There was a production facility that was overrun that found a lot of them under construction. The test version did crash on one flight (not the first), due (if I remember correctly) to a engine flame out or something like that. I had read it did have great speed and very stable flight. I've never read what its turn and roll rates would have been. Since it was based on a glider, and had the large wing surface, it may not have turned or rolled well. Just hearing it was stable in flight hints that it might have not been a very nimble craft. Most nimble craft are precariously balanced on the edge of stable flight. The biggest problem that the SDOE version faces is that the game itself does not support the type of control surfaces used by the plane. Elevons are not supported by the SDOE engine. As a result it can't be modeled perfectly. I agree though that Pete Hawk, Panzer and RoadToad did a fantastic job on the plane. I'm very glad to see it in the game. Now that my machine is working again, I want to create some missions that include the Gotha in them. Maybe if the source code were opened we could add elevons as a control surface too. IP: Logged |
Sebulba
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posted 03-15- 05:33 PM
I have actually seen the only plane ever made. I got to touch it. Its a pitty though, It is in storage, The wings were taken off. Oh but it was beautiful. IP: Logged |
Tiger2
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posted 03-16- 07:29 AM
I like quotation marks. When I can put in other peolple's information I like to take it at face value. Naive, I ought to be called.
Ever heard of Lippisch P13. Reputably designed to push many thousands of km/h. The prototype was wind tunnel tested up to mach 2 in the U.S. after the war. I believe that the U.S. may be still withholding info from German WWII effort that would have us flightsimmers with a permanent dropped jaw sindrome.Goth I have just stumbled across a jackpot site. http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/ho_ix/ho_ix.html Hopefully this one works for you. I jus' cut and pastied the link as before. (COLOUR PICCIES!!!!) Mein Gott... it looks awesome.
There is one minute (klein) picture of it in flight. also included on this site p13 as above. No turning figures or mentions as far as I've seen yet. Shelbulba I am very jealous. There are many things such as certain cars, women and aircraft that I and several security men would probably be unable to detach me from. IP: Logged |
Stark
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posted 03-16- 11:01 AM
The first link works...it just has a ')' that you need to delete off the end of the URL.-Stark IP: Logged |
Tiger2
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posted 03-17- 09:31 PM
Note: This guy is straight down the line.
He doesn't indicate the projectedd speeds for the p-13 dm-1 type aircraft. If you look around you'll find that the projected top speeds were 10,000km/h for the dm-1 using coal powered ramjets or something similar.
The speed he mentions (mach 2) is from wind tunnel tests. (i am assuming the yanks used ground atmospheric pressures???) The projected speed was in the outer atmosphere and the craft needed to reach such heights before the ramjet was started.Note: my data is vague and possibly slightly incorrect as it has been years since I looked at this stuff. IP: Logged |
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