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Topic: I16 Beta !!!
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Laika 801
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posted 03-08- 01:59 PM
   
 After long and hard struggles (started 3. jan 2000) here it is : the I-16 Polikarpov "Ishak" - Beta 1.0
At first I want to thank all those great people out there wich helped me to get things working (more or less  ) - THANK YOU !!!
The main parts of the Ishak are finished. Only the cockpit/main panel is still in a pre-Beta phase. Flight and Damage Models are more in a pre-Alpha state.
The wing textures are mirrored, this could make some trouble if you want to paint real good cammo, but I´m to lazy to remap and reorganize the textures . I got some texture templates in progress so repainting will be quite easy.
Known bugs/problems :
- low detail lods are somehow wrong (I dont know if this is a TNT2 problem)
- shadows
- tailwheel (invisible) behaves odd, but it works
- wheel points are wrong - I still got no good idea how to find out the right position
- (I´m not sure if the loadout settings for the guns/cannons are right)
- no smoothing yet (except spinner)
- no "real" flaps (= 15 deg lowered ailerons..) just the old P51 flaps
- ?
Installation :
Just extract the zip file into your fighter squadron folder. Please repost test results, suggestions, tips, fixes, bugs, errors whatever to this topic or mail them to me ! I still could need some experts for FM and DM !!! Have Fun !
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Rattler
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posted 03-08- 02:57 PM
Laika,Sorry,if I'm missing it and can't spot it,but
I don't see a link to DL your I-16. I've checked Downloads sections also. Thanks
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Jerry
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posted 03-08- 02:58 PM
Where's the link?IP: Logged |
Sebulba
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posted 03-08- 03:05 PM
That sucks, no link. I WANT THAT KICK ASS PLANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IP: Logged |
Razer
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posted 03-08- 04:36 PM
http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~re723888/I16BETA.zip Here yea go. I guess with all the excitment he just forgot to post it.. ------------------
Tony "Razer" Martin
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dauntless851
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posted 03-08- 04:51 PM
Laika, you did a tremendous job on that I-16. I just took it for a spin around those Ju-88s. It is super! Nice job.Are you sure you're not a professional?  dauntless851
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Snake
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posted 03-08- 05:10 PM
It looks really cool but....
When you reach 320 in speed the a/c shakes like mad as if the wings are abput to break off due to speed. It then accelerates to about 380 and the a/c yaws really quick. Thats as fast as it went for me before I pulled back hard and
slowed down but the wings didn't break off.The AI don't seem to be able to take off, both died on takeoff in the Third mission. Other than that its pretty cool. I don't know anything about how it handles other than it seemed very nimble.
Nice work
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Laika 801
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posted 03-08- 05:12 PM
OUPS - SHAME - WAHHAHH!!!
http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~re723888/I16BETA.zip
Thanks razer !!!
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Laika 801
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posted 03-08- 05:18 PM
ohh - a bit late..Snake - I also wondered why the wings dont bend anymore (speed about 410 and pulling the stick hard back - just nothing) , maybe I had to set the spring/whatever setting of the wing DOF´s to an lower value, but I dont know nothing about this yet (still testing ). IP: Logged |
Pete Hawk
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posted 03-08- 05:19 PM
Wow! Just had a ball flying it, landed, and then tried to take off. It's pretty hard (if not impossible) to take off in, but wow, you did a superb job modeling it! If you start it in the air it has a very unique and fun feel to it. It's easy to get into trouble as well which makes it that much better. It looks fantastic! Congrats! IP: Logged |
Laika 801
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posted 03-08- 05:34 PM
Yeah takoff is hard, especially without a rudder. I do it this way (I didn´t got a rudder) :Start taxiing with 30-40%, then comes a point where the plane tilts to the left, now some rudder (or pull stick hard left) till the plane is straight again, full throttle - takeoff (always use rudder to keep the right direction). It´s hard I know - but I dont know why ! The AI allways makes perfect takeoff´s ! IP: Logged |
Laika 801
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posted 03-08- 05:48 PM
Or try this:full power, hands away from the stick till the planes is straight again (watch out for trees)... IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-08- 06:43 PM
Spanky here... Yeah man i can't wait to fly this sucker online with some guys. Taking down those Ju88s (not that i got any down) was great. Me and Mad Dog love it. It flys a little fast What model are you trying to portray? IP: Logged |
Yardstick
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posted 03-08- 07:04 PM
A work of art - congratulations Laika. I can't wait to see the finished cockpit May even tempt me to start painting again. ------------------
Yardstick painted this
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Jaguar
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posted 03-08- 07:15 PM
Good job Laika! You are amazing! I have enjoyed watching this plane being developed, and I think you should be VERY proud of what you have done!------------------
Cheers!
Jaguar
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JT
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posted 03-09- 01:04 AM
That plane is cute as a button! Great job, Laika! It's really nice to see people succeeding after much struggle.IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-09- 02:19 AM
Spanky here..
K if your up to it Yardstick (or anyone) I hearby request a winter skin for it. Somthing mostly white and dirty grey with LOTS of exhuast smoke trails and gun port trails and mud from the tires and tail skid Boy would that ever be cool. IP: Logged |
Rattler
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posted 03-09- 03:52 AM
What Mad dog said............+ skies ! for Zoy's gorgeous Rhineland Winter, no offense Nat, still got to DL yours Rattler IP: Logged |
Laika 801
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posted 03-09- 04:17 AM
As you wish:  Thats just a beta-skin I´ll post it for download later today to the DL section. Should I keep the number ? Thanks dauntless851 for the inspiration ! I still need some tips from the experts for the flight model/damage model/shadows/etc...I hope someone looks into the sm file. IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-09- 04:48 AM
Spanky here... Yeah thats it man. Thats pretty much what i want. I also want skis Maybe skis with invisible wheels so it still work but looks really cool, I have a pic of a finnish Air force I16 with skis on it. Can't wait to fly that sucker
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Nat
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posted 03-09- 07:20 AM
Spanky, does it have to be a "real" winter skin?IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-09- 07:24 AM
Spanky here.. What do you mean Nat? It doesn't have to be a real paintjob that was actually used if thats what you mean. Juat somthing that looks like it would have been used by the Soviets in the winter. IP: Logged |
Raider
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posted 03-09- 07:45 AM
Greaaaat Job Laika! That little plane is a blast to fly.Thanks for making it. Raider 33rd~GS IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 03-09- 09:17 AM
As Spanky has seen I've knocked out a Winter Cam for the i16 (wicked piece of work btw ) it's posted over at my site, extract it direct into the textures folder. It's not historicaly correct, if anyone sees a pic of one in winter cam let me know
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JV~44 "Naturlich"
 If you can't beat em.... out run em!http://members.xoom.com/naturlich/
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Laika 801
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posted 03-09- 02:56 PM
Thanks for your feedback ! As it seems the "visuals" of the plane are good enough for a beta version. But I dont get so much feedback on FM/DM and this is the hardest point for me to do.
So I made a decision: In the next weeks I´ll finish the LODs for the cockpit, main panel and some other stuff (RS-82 rockets..), i´ll apply smoothing to the plane parts (if it works). I´ll also check the CG´s of the parts and some other FM related things I understand till now.
Skins are canceled (sorry), cause I think we dont need alot of skins for a beta version. I´ll post my texture templates later this week (maybe sunday) so that all painters can use them if they want.Thanks so far and keep on testing !!! LK 801 IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 03-09- 07:33 PM
it has one wierd aspect to it.. try this.. stopped on a runway, give it full left or right rudder, then centre the rudder, sit back and watch.. lol (external view is best) this Baby can jive! lol - spins in circles and don't seem to wanna stop till you hit the brakes.. lolIP: Logged |
Royohboy
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posted 03-10- 02:36 AM
Hey Laika,this little plane of yours is a beauty! I can't see what's wrong with the shading. Attaching skis should be pretty easy: declare the skis as rocketpods and in the loadout-file make skis a loadout-option. Lad the skis with 0 rockets, and there you go. Take a look at the Ju 88C-6 to see how it works. IP: Logged |
Laika 801
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posted 03-10- 03:57 AM
Royohboy - thanks for the tip with skies (I´ll do this when all other things are done). Btw - I mean the shadow below the plane
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Burkey
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posted 03-11- 02:48 PM
'One of the most startling uses of the tiny but rugged fighter came in ramming attacks. Pilots were taught to hit the tail surfaces of German bombers, then bail out. In theory, the strength of the I 16 would allow the pilot grace to bail out afterwards'Janes Aircraft of WW2, Polikarpov I-16 I reckon i'll have to give this a go! IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-11- 03:20 PM
Spanky here.. Thats cool. I think i might try that too.
No canopy to get in the way either.
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Laika 801
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posted 03-11- 07:06 PM
Spanky - its Saturday evening (hick) and... can you explain it a bit :"No canopy to get in the way either." Is something wrong with the canopy ??? If not dont mind ! IP: Logged |
Rattler
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posted 03-11- 07:15 PM
He's saying Laiki, that on your I-16 their is no "fully enclosed canopy" which is CORRECT.Which in turn,makes bailing out,much simpler. Rattler IP: Logged |
Laika 801
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posted 03-11- 07:22 PM
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Nat
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posted 03-11- 07:50 PM
ROFLMAO IP: Logged |
Rattler
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posted 03-12- 02:40 AM
Laiki...........Laiki..........Damned i keeps popping up right at the end of your name. Hehe.......got fix it! Rattler IP: Logged |
dauntless851
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posted 03-12- 12:29 PM
Speaking of cockpits.LK, there is a full cockpit that appears in the outside view from a distance. Probably from a lower detail lod. When you zoom in closer it changes to the open cockpit. IP: Logged |
Laika 801
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posted 03-12- 12:37 PM
Yep, since its a "non cockpit/canopy beta release"... IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-12- 12:59 PM
Spanky here.. Thats exactly what i ment. No canopy to shove open before you bail.
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