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Topic: Corsair & Glide (Cont)
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Rattler
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posted 02-28- 01:53 PM
   
After reading all the posts,I today DL'd the corsair.
My system in a Celi 300/OC'd to 450,Voddoo II
12 mb,64 mb ram.(I run in Glide)
I'm running Win98(1st edition)I've got the latest 3dfx V2 drivers(referance) off 3dfx.com
Version PP5.3a and Patch 1.5 (No add-on sounds loaded in FS currently)
OK, I've got in running in Glide.(but,I had initial CTD's)
ALL initial attempts CDT ( I'll also mention that I only brought over the W and R commands into my keyboard map,as I allready had the Q in there. I've made no other switchs to my keyboard map originally as it seems to cause CTD's if changes are numerous)
The initial CTD's were in training/TO.
For the first time ever,I tried D3D in SDoE.
I was able to get inside the cockpit for the first time,but it resulted in a Hard Lock instantly.(subsequent reboots,same result)
Went back to Glide ... 800 by 600 BTW ever attempt thus far.Tried Glide again.. CTD.
Changed my Desktop resolution to 800 by 600 from 1024 to 768.I kept 24 bit color as is.
Retried Glide.. Its worked ever since!
The Corsair is Very Fine Indeed!
I love everthing,especially the detailed and easy to read Cockpit Guages.A glance and one can easily see,Alt,IAS,ect.
Suggestions AKA, constructive critism ;/
Rudder seems too sensitive in relation to other aircraft(note: only in relation to my current scaling to accomadate other AC)
E Bleed as you well know.
Guns at Zero G seem to fire just a TAD low in Gunsight?
Thats IT!
BTW...... I love the red/out shake at 450+ IAS.If we could just get all other PP aircraft to emulate that at proper speeds.
Oh yeah,the floorboard/inside cockpit detail is beautiful.Great Job! Rattler
The Outlaws
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-28- 02:33 PM
Spanky here..
Thanks for moving it man
hehe that was getting long. K I had removed the textures to see if that was the problem and it still wouldn't work so i changed my desktop bit depth to 24 and it worked but boy without textures it looks messed
then i tried 16 bit again and it still worked then i put the textures back and it still worked and looked normal again I really think there is a HUGE FPS problem with this plane ontop of the glide probs. Lets help him fix this sucker so we can use it online. first the zero. I zoomed the FPS so you could see it.  Now the F4U at the same zoom distance with out textures notice the huge drop in FPS and the textureless wackyness 
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Whirlwind
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posted 02-28- 03:03 PM
Try flying the Corsair on a clean load of SDOE. I have an online SDOE, and a devel SDOE load.IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-28- 03:12 PM
Spanky here... My load of SDOE is from last week. Just has SDOE, pp5.3 pp5.3a patch and the zero and corsiar I have done no development of anything with this install. WHy ? Heres some pics with skins showing the same FPS decrease.   I'm starting to think it has somthing to do with LODS cause you can see stuff switch in and the FPS drop. I think its just some LOD tweaking of the polys and some tweaking of lod switch points. heres some more stuff just for fun
 
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-28- 03:22 PM
Spanky here... Just cause its such a pretty plane and I felt like playing with plug ins 
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-28- 03:34 PM
Spanky.. One more pickle in the jar Seems although i can play with it now it doesn't like haveing alot of them in a mission I tried with 9 of them to get a cool pic and i started in the zero as soon as i changed to a corsair it CDT
changed it to 3 of them and it was cool
tried 6 no cool. Anyway just more info to help track it down.
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jedi
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posted 02-28- 04:11 PM
Hehe you guys are gonna solve this a lot quicker than me So...are we saying that the desktop should be the same resolution as your selected game resolution? Seems odd, but worth trying. And we should use 24-bit color? (I thought I was, but I may still be in 16. I know it's not 32-bit). I'll try some of this when I get home. As for .lod pruning, I can do a little on the cowling, and maybe some on the wings, but if I do much with the cowling, it's not gonna look round. OK for the distant .lods, but I kinda hate to do it to the close-up ones. The rest of the fuselage is not really any more complex than, say, the Mustang or FW. As for the cockpit stuff, um...thanks, but it really should be directed to MH I guess--it's just the P-51 cockpit I reshaped the glare shield and canopy is all. At some point I'll make it look like a real Corsair... I'm definitely open to suggestions on how to raise the frame rate tho. I get about 40-60 with two enemy planes in view. Haven't tried multiple Corsairs yet. First thing first tho--gotta get it to work on everyone's system. ------------------
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-28- 04:33 PM
Spanky here.... Be easy on taking out the polys. Work on the CDT first. I changed my desktop to 16 bit again and it still works. Send it to MH to run through the debugger.
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dauntless851
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posted 02-28- 04:38 PM
I tried reconfiguring my desktop display, but still no luck. CTD still.  IP: Logged |
Hawker
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posted 02-28- 04:45 PM
Bummer i tired it to I ctd immediatly also IP: Logged |
Private Roger
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posted 02-28- 05:04 PM
It's working again. The only thing I have done since yesterday was to defrag my HD and run scan disk. I tried it right after and it worked! As Sp@nky says it will not run if you have more than a few Corsairs in the game, and the AI could not take off in the plane. I watched him, it was pathetic. I still CTD if I start it in the air, and sometimes if I fly to close with another plane to one. I can't wait until the problems get ironed out. It's a very cool plane! PR=FC= IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 02-28- 05:21 PM
I've not tried the missions sent with the Corsair, but what I think we can all see is the Textureing problem, that grren strip on the front of the wings doesn't come fro many of the textures for the Corsair, this could be causing problems. Also, for me atleast it flys fine in Glide and D3D, and has since I downloaded it.. but.... if I make a mission containing more than one F4 and also try starting in one of them.. CTD. OK, if I try the same mission, 1 109 against 3 F4's, the mission starts fine, until the F4's get within a certain range and then I get CTD. Seems to me there is something trying to be displayed as it comes into range thats causing it to crash out, and that may be the same reason that most are having so much truoble with it. Also that texturing thing, I doubt thats helping matters. Looking at the colors on the leading edge of the wing, I suspect it's getting it fro mthe P51, or the Spit, as no other planes are using this type of coloring.I think there are only small problems with it before it's fixed, and just needs a lil sifting through to check these things out. IP: Logged |
jedi
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posted 02-28- 05:47 PM
D'oh! I'm so embarassed! I had sent Condor a pre-Alpha to test (it crashed on him too), and in that version, I had not made the radiators yet.But when I built the beta file, I forgot to replace the old .tifs with the new ones, where the front of the wings is re-textured. If you look at the .tif for the wings, you'll see a green patch (left over from the Zero .tifs I started with to get orientation correct). Well, guess where the radiators are in the new .tifs? And guess what isn't green anymore on the new .tifs  So, anyway, I guess I'll send a patch over to the FSHangar this evening. I'll include the new .tifs and a new .sm file (re-worked fuselage a little and changed all references from P51 to F4U). I've also done a bit of FM stuff. I'll test it and if it's not too bad, I'll send that version. Otherwise, it'll just be the same version with texture and file references fixed. Sorry about that guys. ------------------
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Sv
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posted 02-28- 06:37 PM
I have had FPS issues with alpha textures some times... especialy if you look through too many alpha textures at once. For example: My SE5a had a windscreen, machine gun cooling holes, and the prop. This killed FPS. I removed the gun holes (there should'nt be there anyway) and the FPS went way up.One indication of this: zooming in will HURT fps rate if you soom right into the alpha texture causing the issue. This might not relate.. but I thought I'd mention it... ------------------
-Sv =FC=
WWI in SDOE!
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Hawker
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posted 02-28- 08:44 PM
dont be sorry Jedi were just happy to be able to fly the thing,its all part of the testing stage bro.cheers dont let it get ya down,keep up the good work IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-28- 10:00 PM
Spanky here.. Don't worry about it Man we love just having it. It does look great.
This is what being Beta is all about. Were just trying to help ya fix it up. I notice a FPS drop everytime somthing switches in but i don't as much with the zero. So you might want to take a look at whats switching in.
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Jeeves
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posted 02-28- 10:35 PM
I for one am pleased to no end that you released this jedi- so far today flying my training missions, no CTD. This is not meant to brag- what I actually am saying here is that maybe the missions are allowing me to fly in unhindered...even a close pass while I'm in the Zero doesn't cause a CTD (and if you haven't seen this baby hum past you, you are in for a treat!!) If someone wants to post the 4 training missions I have, maybe they will allow others to fly it...e-mail me if interested in posting it. To give you an idea of my system (which I fly in Glide):PII 400
16 MB 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee
64 MB SDRAM
4.3 gig HD and all this on a Gateway no less
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ReaperMan
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posted 02-29- 01:36 AM
Just something to note, I never CTD with the Hangar mission or the Taking Off mission, but the Air-to-Air causes CTD every time. Some of the missions I have created for it CTD, some don't. The ones that CTD will work for awhile but only if I start in a different aircraft... however when I get too close to the F4U or hit F5 to view the next plane, if it's a Corsair I CTD. I have a nice mission with the Saratoga and the Akagi, the F4U starts out only a few feet off the deck of the Saratoga so it feels pretty good.
There are 5 Zeros incoming from the Akagi with orders to bomb your carrier, then return back to the Akagi and CAP. It uses the Island terrain, so it looks great with the carriers and the Pacific planes. I want to have 2 Corsairs, but when I change it to 2 the mission will always CTD.
Come to think of it, it did work once, when I had less Zeros I believe.
Maybe 2 Corsairs are causing a stack overflow with the mem or something so I get kicked out.
I think Razor747 may be on to something with the poly count and the cp glass. -=TheReaper=- P.S. Downloading the new one anyway
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