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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-06- 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Hi guys i'm playing with the gear trying to make them asymetical. I'm using the zero to test and its going find getting them to retract with one starting 3 seconds after the other one and i even have a handle on the gear door. A couple questions though.

the cmdEndDelay? Is that for how long to wait after the movement until they switch out?

And how do i change how they act when they are going out? I though it would just do the reverse of going in but it doesn't work that way. THey both come out at the same time.

One last thing. I was watching the P40 vid on zenos warbird vids (great resource for getting flap and gear timing info BTW) and while watching they had the plane on jacks and playing with the gear.

When retracting the gear the tail went up first. Then the left gear and then finally the right gear. All toll it took around 18 seconds.

Later they showed them retract in the air just after clearing the field and they went up faster and almost at the same time? What gives?

is that cause of the air pressure helping to push them up?

Just watch the vid if ya want to know what i mean and want to help me pick the correct way to do it.

I;m thinking of going a little more at the same time but still staggered and a little faster. Like around 12 secs all toll? just to model the airpressure helping push them up.

one last thing. There are no wheel wheel covers covering the tire itself Should i just not have the wheel dissaper or should i have it disapeer and have it replace with a texture? I think that would look kinda cheesy. Maybe i will compromise and have a simple slightly pushed in section and use a texture to show a tire in there.

Anyway thanks for any help.

Now that i'm going full swing i'll be asking lots of stuff hehe

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Pete Hawk
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posted 02-06- 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pete Hawk   Click Here to Email Pete Hawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Believe it or not, we jack C-5's here at Travis all the time. The reason for the slowdown MAY be this on that P-40 video. If they were all to come up together at full speed you run the risk of knocking the airplane off the jacks. That's why on the ol' Galaxy we only retract one gear at a time, cause our "Bogies" as they are called (a MLG truck with 6 tires on it x 4 trucks) weighs quite a bit, and that force going up into the wells at normal speed is quite a lot!

As for the retracting and extending Zero's gears, I've noticed that too. Sometimes it's easy to get one way down, but tough when reversed. The best you can do is to keep tinkering with timings, and also look at any other plane whose gears are similar, and see how they are setup.

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jedi
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posted 02-06- 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jedi   Click Here to Email jedi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had the same problem on the Corsair wings. They were assymetrically folding one direction, but simultaneously unfolding.

You have a start-delay and an end-delay property. To stagger the operations both ways, you reverse these. I have the Corsair wings folding assymetrically. Going one way, you have delay start at 0 and end at, say 3. For the other wing, delay starts at 3 and ends at 0. That way, when you reverse the operation, you get one piece moving before the other. Haven't tried this yet with the gear, but it works on the wing folding. Also, make sure you wait for the whole sequence to end before reversing. You have to let all the delays and movements run their course, or you can end up overriding the delay on the reverse action if you hit your key too soon.

As for the difference in speed of retraction on jacks and inflight, on jacks you're using some sort of external hydraulic pump, which may not put out the same pressure as the engine-driven or electric pump does inflight. Also, you have 150 knots of wind helping to retract inflight.

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jedi
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posted 02-06- 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jedi   Click Here to Email jedi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Double post

[This message has been edited by jedi (edited 02-06-2000).]

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-06- 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Thanks for the info man

Are you saying this is a problem with the zero?

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-06- 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Ok all that makes sence. I will look at them retracting in flight again and use that for my timing

Heres my thoughts:

The external pump
airspeed
and chance of rocking the plane off the jacks all add up to the reason it acts like it does on the ground.

they go up slow because they have a low power pump (engine is not started) they don't want to rock the boat (hehe) and the reason they don't go up at the same time is for the same reasons. Not enought power in the pump.

Thanks guys it all makes sence now.

I will try your thoughts Jedi and see what happens thanks for the tip

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-06- 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

Yep that works just great and it looks cool.
On to some other stuff i guess. I havn;t done the gear on the p40 i just wanted to see how to effect the timing of it. Need to edit some sounds for the landing gear too now.

I'm going to look at the gear in the JU88 now to see how that works i guess. Since its similar.

any thoughts on how it should look while folded in? just texture or some polys too?

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