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Jeeves
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posted 01-28- 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK- I got the ranks from Diego Lozano and we noticed each Italian name was preceded by it's German equivalent (for example: Leutnant Sottoltenente)- do we keep the German parts in front- or maybe was the guy comparing the two and didn't put in punctuation? Every rank he sent us is like this- but it seems strange...did the Germans have this much influence over the Italians that they were incorporated into their ranking system?

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Diego Lozano
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posted 01-28- 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diego Lozano   Click Here to Email Diego Lozano     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naw, After really looking it over, I think he had the order like this:
Luftwaffe
Regia
RAF
USAAF

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Poodle EAF322
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posted 01-29- 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poodle EAF322   Click Here to Email Poodle EAF322     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should add this to the gui.ppf:

( 'strItaly "Sottotenente" "Tenente" "Capitano" "Maggiore" "Tenente Colonnello" "Colonnello")

Now you have the same 6 ranks as the Germans, English and Americans in this file have.

Cu,
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Jeeves
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posted 01-29- 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Already done Poodle That's what Diego sent me...after your medals are done, Project Italy just needs some voices and some planes

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Poodle EAF322
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posted 01-29- 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poodle EAF322   Click Here to Email Poodle EAF322     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a question about the Japanese ranks. In my Japan-zero file I had 9 Japanese ranks in the gui.ppf. I only need 6. So does Russia.

What are the ranks we have to make for Japan (and Russia)?

( 'Japan "Sho-i" "Chu-i" "Tai-i" "Shosa" "Chusa" "Taisa" "Shosho" "Chujo" "Taisho")

That's what I have at the score.ppf file. What ranks should I delete/add?

They should be the same as these American ranks:

( 'strUnitedStates "2nd Lieutenant" "Lieutenant" "Captain" "Major" "Lieutenant Colonel" "Colonel")

And these English:

( 'strGreatBritain "Pilot Officer" "Flying Officer" "Flying Lieutenant" "Squadron Leader" "Wing Commander" "Group Captain")

Or these German:

( 'strGermany "Leutnant" "Oberleutnant" "Hauptmann" "Major" "Oberstleutnant" "Oberst")

You see? Each time 6 ranks. We need the same 6 at Japan.

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Jeeves
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posted 01-29- 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Huh- never noticed that before- Whirlwind was the one who provided them for us...maybe he knows?

Here it is:

Sho-i Ensign
Chu-i Lieutenant (Junior Grade)
Tai-i Lieutenant
Shosa Lieutenant Commander
Chusa Commander
Taisa Captain
Shosho Rear Admiral (no relation to Activision)
Chujo Vice Admiral
Taisho Admiral

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Poodle EAF322
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posted 01-29- 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poodle EAF322   Click Here to Email Poodle EAF322     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted a message on the http://www.j-aircraft.com messageboard at General Aircraft section.
This is my message: http://www.j-aircraft.com/bbs/general/general.pl?read=2628
I got a reply, and these are the ranks we should be using, in an order from low rank ot high rank:

Sho-i
Chu-i
Tai-i
Shosa
Chusa
Taisa

You see it's the same we had, only delete the last 3 ranks. Taisa was the highest flying rank too, and I think just like a Group Captain is the English highest rank, if you have a higher rank you won't be flying nomore but sitting behind a desk.

Also, Whirlwind's ranks were correct, only the translation is in US and English ranks (Lieutenant is US, but Commander and (group) Captain is the English ranks).

But anyway, now we have it all ok.

How about the Russian ranks, do we have 6 of those?

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Jeeves
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posted 01-30- 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yessir Poodle-

We have the Russian ranks and I believe Zoy already has them written up...but for your info, they are:

Leytenant...1st Lt.
Starshiy Leytenant... 2nd Lt.
Kapitan...Captain
Major...Major (that's a hard one!)
Podpolkovnik...Lt. Colonel
Polkovnik...Colonel

Now- can anyone find French ranks? That is what I'll be working on next.

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Poodle EAF322
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posted 01-31- 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poodle EAF322   Click Here to Email Poodle EAF322     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's nice Jeeves. We now have them all.

Only one question, in the US a Lieutenant is higher than a 2nd Lieutenant. But a "Starshiy Leytenant" is higher than a "Leytenant"?

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Jeeves
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posted 01-31- 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dagnabit!! I switched them around in my post, but they are right in mine and Zoy's score and gui ppf. Sorry for the confusion Are you working on France Poodle, or am I? Just don't want to duplicate if I can help it- since we both seem to know how we're doing (except I need help getting medals on the right alignment- could you show me sometime?). Considering how many countries there are to make, maybe we should coordinate which ones we're working on...with both of us, it should move rather fast!

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Poodle EAF322
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posted 01-31- 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poodle EAF322   Click Here to Email Poodle EAF322     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll be doing Holland anyway, but through the EAF I can get lots of info for France, Norway and Czechslovakia too. I can also get enough volunteers for the sounds of these nations. Also medals and ranks will probably not be a big problem.
Maybe you just do France. I can get you someone for the sounds if you want and I'll find some info of all the 4 nations above. I'll send you what I can find.
Is that ok?

For a Holland update, we have the medals, squads, ranks, actually everything. Only we have to record sounds and we're planning to make some Dutch planes too, like a Fokker G-1 and a Fokker D-21 (also the Fins flew with the D-21). The G-1 was the plane on which the P-38 was based, an improved copy.
Also a Brewster Buffalo would be great, since the Dutch East Indies Air Force flew with that one.

Cu,
Poodle

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Pachy
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posted 01-31- 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pachy   Click Here to Email Pachy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, you probably already know this, but the corresponding ranks in the french "Armee de l'air" are, in ascending order:

Sous-lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Commandant
Lieutenant-colonel
Colonel

Same problem as Japan, young pilots had in fact lower ranks (as low as "sergent"), and having more ranks would be more realistic.

Do you have enough info on medals and squadrons insignaes (not that I have much, but...)?

Another remark: too bad we cannot (I think) have several armed forces for a single nation. Nobody noticed that our future Wildcat and Corsair pilots will have Air Force ranks instead of Navy ranks? Maybe I'm picking nuts here...

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Poodle EAF322
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posted 01-31- 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poodle EAF322   Click Here to Email Poodle EAF322     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pachy,

Thanks for the info. The more the better, so if you can find any medals or squad insignia's it would be great. Also squad info is needed (now the information behind the Japanese squads is VERY limited).
Maybe you can do the french sounds too if you want to.
Send everything you think is relevant to Jeeves. He'll take care of it.

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Jeeves
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posted 01-31- 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Poodle- I have started some research on France and will get it going. As of yet, I don't have medals, insignia, etc. The site we've been using for the Japan, Italy, and Soviet Union medals has a link for French medals, but they show up as a 404 Not Found Error so if anyone has any pics- please send them along. I'll keep looking too

Poodle- is it relatively easy to place the medals over a flag template? If so- maybe you could send instructions in your next e-mail? Thanks to the medals you have done, I believe Italy (sans sounds) is done and am going to package it up for you and Werner to work your magic with. Zoy had the Soviet Union done as far as I know- we're all just waiting on sounds! Now- what do you think we could do to improve the info on the Japanese? I went along with the same info on the four squads I made because the four air groups (Kaga, Akagi, Hiryu, and Soryu) were really all a part of the First Air Fleet. I had a lot of trouble finding info on the Japanese- maybe someone else has books or something?

Pachy-

Thanks for the ranks! I actually hadn't found them yet. As far as naval ranks, I don't know if we can play with it...I do have new American naval squadrons done- but they have the AAF ranks...unless we make another folder (maybe USA?)- I don't see how it wouldn't cause a CTD otherwise. Anyone else know?

[This message has been edited by Jeeves (edited 01-31-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Jeeves (edited 01-31-2000).]

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Poodle EAF322
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posted 02-01- 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poodle EAF322   Click Here to Email Poodle EAF322     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jeeves',

I too had problems finding information about the squads. I had a big book about the Japanese army, and a little part about the squads, and the Kokutai Tainan and some Sentai was mentioned. But, the book dissapeared, and haven't found it since.
Also on the internet there's not much to find about the squads. I do have a list of Japanese Aces, and there are also their squad names behind it, but no info about the squad again.

I'll keep looking, and am going to the library soon.

Cu,
Poodle

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