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Topic: Well, Spitfire Mk Vc finally done, BUT........
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Sabre66
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posted 12-17- 01:31 AM
   
She is finally finished, the Spitfire Mk Vc.I decided to go with the Spit Mk Vc instead of the Spit Mk III because as juzz pointed out the Mk III never when into production. (Only 3 ever made) So, to be historically accurate I went with the Mk Vc. It incorperated the "Universal Wing" that the Mk III introduced as well as other improvements. I used the other Spit Mk V that we already have in the game as a base, so if that Spit has the correct FM, so does this Spit. I tweaked the roll rate "Slightly", to simulate the increased roll rate the "Unversal Wing" provided, matter of fact you probably will have trouble noticing the difference. One thing to take into account with the Mk Vc
is the fact that having 4 - 20mm cannons on board lowered the ammom count significantly, (only 80 rounds per gun) so don't do any unneccessary firing, make sure the jerrys are in your sights before you pull the trigger. I also made 2 cannons triggered to the MG button and 2 cannons triggered to the cannon button, in an effort to conserve ammo. (after all you don't really need 4 cannons blazing away to take down a fighter) Now to the "BUT" part,...the only thing I couldn't do is change the shape of the wing tip models or Lods to simulate the clipped wings. Would someone like to do that???? If so, just leave a post and I'll e-mail you the plane. BTW, sorry that there are no pics of it but I don't know how to post pics. Hope there are some other pilots out there that are interested in this craft, I'd hate to be the only one. Signing Off Sabre IP: Logged |
FarmerJoe
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posted 12-17- 02:50 AM
Sabre I would gladly to the wingtips for you, just send me the pics and the plane =)
mailto:jameso@cdsnet.comtake'd easy now
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Tailslide
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posted 12-17- 03:00 AM
Hi Sabre, sounds like you are really getting the hang of open plane! If you based your spit on the 5.3 beta posted in the OPP forum you should be ok. If you based your spit on the 5.2 version you will need to copy over some FM updates from the newer verison. The 5.2 spit climbed way too well and was too light, I think the ceiling was too low too. You'll want to find out the weight difference compared to the Vb and also the change in area from the different wing size and change the airarea properties of the wingtips. I'm not too familiar with the Vc I didn't think it had clipped wings though? Do you mean the squared off wings? The spitfire Vd had clipped wings and a specially modified supercharger that made it fast down low but like a "lump of lead" at 10,000 feet. At 12,000 feet the engine only produced 500hp, below 3000 feet it was 1585hp. Quite a challenge to model. In Closertman's autobiography they called them "clipped cropped and clapped" for the clipped wings, cropped for the smaller engine, and clapped for how much the pilots thought the designers had buggered up building such a beast. TS
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Tailslide
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posted 12-17- 03:29 AM
Hmm I looked it up rather interesting. Apparently whether a spit's wings were clipped or not isn't necessarily determined by the Mk number, and is not a factor of it being a universal wing. "Two types of wing were adopted, a standard one (known as the F wing) and a clipped version (the LF wing) that had better performance at lower altitudes. " While faster, the clipped wing also caused the spitfire to reduce it's main advantage.. turning ability. Check out this picture of a clipped wing Mk.Vb, and a rounded wing Mk.Vc
http://www.netcentral.co.uk/steveb/spitfire/mkV.htm Here's some stats on the Vc for you: Type: Spitfire Mk.Vc Function: fighter Year: 1940 Crew: 1 Engines: 1 * 1185hp R.R. Merlin 45 Wing Span: 11.23m Length: 9.12m Height: 3.86m Wing Area: Empty Weight: 2313kg Max.Weight: 3078kg Speed: 602km/h Ceiling: 11280m Range: 756km Armament: 4*g20mm TS ------------------
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JG5Jerry
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posted 12-17- 04:31 AM
The clipped wing gave it an improved rate of roll - essential when in combat against the Fw190A4.IP: Logged |
Razer
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posted 12-17- 08:12 AM
I've already done a clipped wing spit. The models been done for almost 3 months. It just needs a flight model and some fixes. The Spit IX was the base for the model, since the images i had of the clipped wing has the larger tail. when i clipped the wings, it screwed up the gear damage. thats will have to be fixed if its to be released.
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Sabre66
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posted 12-17- 10:22 PM
TS,
Yes, I think I am getting the hang of OP now (Thanks to all the help I've gotten from this community-quick replies and very detailed and helpful answers)
Anyway, I based it off the 5.2 pack (In all the excitement of finally making a plane I forgot all about the new 5.3 pack, I'll get it now and base it off of that.)
As for the weight diff., I will continue doing some research on it but what I have found so far seems to suggest there was only about 110 lbs or so diff. And yes, the Vc had the "LF Wing" which was referred to as the "Universal Wing" because different combinations of guns and cannons could be easily exchanged depending on the conditions of the mission it needed to complete.
Though you are right I still have to change the airarea properties of the wingtip.
The Mk Vc I made has the Merlin 50A engine in it. The Merlin 50A was supposed to be better in High altitude performance than the 45, 46, and 50. So that would put it back into the performance envelope of the previous versions and compete against the 109's and 190's. And also true, the clipped wings did reduce the turning ability but the gain in roll rate outweighed that loss, and it could still outturn the 109's and on par with the 190's.
Besides, I believe most pilots opt'ed for the quad cannon setup if they were to engage mostly bombers, the cannons had a too slow rate of fire to effectivly engage fighters. (Although, skillfull pilots scored many cannon kills on fighters)
Thanks for the info and the link, that site may help with any other Spit varients I may do.Razer, >. when i clipped the wings, it screwed up the gear damage. thats will have to be fixed if its to be released.< Why did this happen, are the wingtips and gear connected somehow?? Just wondering since we may run into this problem when we do these wings. Signing Off Sabre
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Tailslide
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posted 12-18- 12:35 PM
I'm saying although the Vc had the universal wing that fact is seperate from if it is clipped or not. The wingspan I posted for the Vc is the same as a normal spit which indicates to me the wings were not always clipped. It's totally correct to make one with clipped wings just be careful with your performance numbers since it was available in both styles. Also make sure to reduce airK for the wing.. it is currently set for a perfect elliptical wing. This page shows engines for the Vc. It came with a 45,50, or 55.
http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/spitfire/marks.html This page shows the cannon arrangements on the Vc so Pachy doesn't lose it on you for having the gun flashed in the wrong spots : )
http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/spitfire/armament.html
Good luck! Email me if you want to talk spits.
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