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mposis Pilot	posted 11-29- 02:20 PM Might as well start a poll while everyone is at it... I just want to ask users if they want me to release planes I model that do not have the correct FM. ------------------ Glad I had my seatbelt on... [This message has been edited by mposis (edited 11-29-1999).] IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 11-29- 02:58 PM Well I'm not biased, Yes. Marcus, I submit to the market forces principle. If you make planes that are so good people want to use them, then one of those people will be inspired to work on the FM. IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-29- 03:20 PM I suggest to anyone if you want to make a plane with the correct DM and FM and everything else coordinate it through OPPs. If you want some aspect of the plane to be worked on and it is not an area you are good at then the best place to go is to ask OPPs. We have some of the resources and we are willing to help anyone. To date anyone who has attempted a project on their own has done so and seems to be under the impression someone, eg. the FM team, will pick it up and fix it. That won't happen unless you ask them. Team work works great if you talk to the team. Personally, if a person puts out a new plane and hasn't touched the FM I don't try it out. There are so many things going on with SDOE that I don't have time to fly a Spit or FW in disguise. ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. [This message has been edited by kopper (edited 11-29-1999).] IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 11-29- 03:27 PM Does OPP have the final say on DM and FM? IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 04:01 PM I personally think you should try do release it as best u can the FM stuff is getting easier with Tailslides FM docs and u can ask for help If your just not into it then yes please ask for help with it, better then just releasing it with a spit FM. I'm sure someone will help ya with it or do it for ya. No OPP doesn't have final say the public does OPP does have people that are pretty good at knowing how it should fly though so i trust tailslide, Zur's and others (sorry i can't remember names) opinions I'm sure people will speak up if it doesn't feel right. Oh yeah if ya just want to make models that fly thats cool too just try to hand it off to someone who can do a beta FM for it don't stop building just cause it might not get the right FM right away i love the zero [This message has been edited by Sp@nky (edited 11-29-1999).] IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-29- 04:27 PM Mposis, I don't understand what your question is about OPPs having the final say on FM and DM. Perhaps if you could clarify that. Again, we can't and won't stop anyone from working on what they want. That is the whole premis behind OPPs. People have strengths in one area and not another but together we have everything we need to do the job. Again, check 'What is OPPs' at the OPPs website at http://www.fshangar.com/area51/ ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 11-29- 04:30 PM I mean if they decide which is the correct FM or not. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 04:44 PM Well i'm sure some of the guys in OPP would be good at deciding when a plane is flying right. They won't ignore the rest of the players concernes though. If thats what your worried about so yeah they do and can decide but they don't have absolute power what are u working on next man? I'm already excited IP: Logged
Dole Pilot	posted 11-29- 04:51 PM quote: Personally, if a person puts out a new plane and hasn't touched the FM I don't try it out. There are so many things going on with SDOE that I don't have time to fly a Spit or FW in disguise. Where's this hidden cache of thousands of planes (actual planes that is... not vtol lancs, and pusher B-17s) ??? Lets see... The He-100d, that was the first usermade plane, now you had to use that or you're a fool. Pete's 109 conversion, Now.. i'm sure you played with that too. the Me-109g, duh. A-36a, eh.. well.. FM Performance matched the numbers I had. Zero, Dunno about this one.. it's Pacific theater! oh no! (Best plane i've flown in SDOE btw, very nice job!) FW-190d, It's definately had some FM work! Go-229, ever evolving FM tweaking BF-109e7, Hrrmm? P-51b, Hmmm. Ok.. quick little math shows 9 actual aircraft... And it's not like they were all released at the same time. Maybe you should "try stuff out" you might be surprised (ps - with your seemingly incredible lack of time - how do you find so much to tell folks not to create new planes..? ) IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 04:54 PM Dole good points hehe besides even if it is kinda the same as a fw190 its not idetical, he did adjust the power and weight and guns and such so it is still its own plane. IP: Logged
Archy Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:00 PM Mposis, we need the f4 corsair, black sheep squadron maybe, we need a plane that is visually an Allied Pacific theater aircraft. IP: Logged
Zurawski Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:05 PM Hmmm ... Does the artist have to make the canvas he paints upon? ... This is a simple case of " what doesn't apply to me, doesn't bother me". Mposis, Yarstick, Vanderstok ... all use FS as their "artistic canvas" ... nothing wrong with that. Problem is they really don't use FS for online ... so "Online standard" means nothing to them. Hence the FM takes a back-seat. However, In their defense ... "They" came to me asking if I'd do the 109g FM ... no problem ... As they did with the Zero and Razer did with the Emil ... Do I think planes have to be released with complete FMs? ... No. ""BUT"" ... They should not be used online till someone DOES make a reasonable effort to do the FM. I personally don't wish to inhibit anyones creative juices ... (This coming from someone who's "dreaming" FM crap now...) When do I learn? IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-29- 05:15 PM Perhaps my statement of I don't fly planes with fixed FM's is misleading. If nothing has been done with the FM I ignore it as a 'this would be a good plane to try.' I am kind of biased that way since I pretty well only fly a Lanc! So you can see how valuable my input for FM's is with anyone! For the 'official' online standard planes, we are trying to determine when a planes FM is acceptable and when it is not. This is not an easy process. Again, for the upteenths time I never say we will, can or have the power to stop anyone working on OP. I have time to respond because I am at the day job and sit at this PC all day. Do you see me posting on weekends? Very little. Because I am not sitting by the PC. ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:27 PM Dole, Thanks. BTW, Zurawski did the FM on the FW190D-9. Kopper, It is not my intention to make planes for the planepack. [This message has been edited by mposis (edited 11-29-1999).] IP: Logged
Loco Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:36 PM Mposis, Do a good job, and if possible with the best DM and FM. There are some people here to help you. As I know, the OPP team is here, ever than possible, to help any good project, so .... go ahead. IP: Logged
Archy Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:39 PM To twiddle my thumbs or make a new plane? Will people fly it, or will they just complain? Will I be flamed in the flame war section? Will I be unable to handle my planes rejection? I think not! If it flys, someone will fly it! If it fires someone will fire it! If it drives someone will drive it! I say make planes, if you then want to work on th FM or DM, do so, if you do not: if the community decides: hey this plane is the greatest(ZERO) someone will want to do the FM and DM. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:57 PM Well the only thing i have to add is no don't make new planes part of the PP until some FM work is done BUT that won't stop me from using them online the first thing i wanted to do with the zero was use it online IP: Logged
Speedbrake Pilot	posted 11-29- 07:30 PM Go ahead and release the plane. Sometimes I like the basic FM over what is put together after the fact anyway. Once the plane gets a corrected FM (more realistic)it is usually put into the PlanePack under a .par file anyway. So let us have some fun with them - go for it Mposis! ------------------ [This message has been edited by Speedbrake (edited 11-29-1999).] IP: Logged
roadtoad Pilot	posted 11-29- 11:56 PM Make what you like! I try everything that comes out, and part of the fun is playing test pilot - passing back what seems missing or wrong. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-30- 12:01 AM What is your next project mposis? at least give us a hint IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 11-30- 12:08 AM Spanky, Next project is almost done since I did not do as much work on it as the other projects. All it needs is texturing. IP: Logged
Katana Pilot	posted 11-30- 01:02 AM Jade and I both like to fly anything and everything(In fact she is flying Flanker 2 at the moment)so we both say let em rip Mposis,WAY TO GO.(Big kiss from Jade) ------------------ Cheers Kat out IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-30- 01:27 AM ah such a tease fighter or bomber? IP: Logged
graymon Pilot	posted 11-30- 03:11 AM Yes ,great work so far,keep em rolling. IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 11-30- 07:34 AM Thanks for all the comments guys. Spanky, It's a fighter, but you may be disappointed because it is a common plane in Europe. Kat, When is Jade going to visit the Playpen? I think you misnamed the place since Jade hasn't been there. IP: Logged
Katana Pilot	posted 11-30- 07:48 AM Actually she has been there every time I go cose she likes the comments that get made.Spends a bit of time in chat forums as well, under the handle of Veronica.She's gone to bed now otherwise I would have got her to say something.Believe me mposis Jade does exist and she spends nearly as much time on this forum as I do. ------------------ Cheers Kat out IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 11-30- 09:00 AM Hey Katana, got any more pics of Jade? You know, a change is as good as a holiday as they say. cheers ------------------ IP: Logged
Jetlag Pilot	posted 11-30- 01:46 PM Zur, quote: Mposis, Yarstick, Vanderstok ... all use FS as their "artistic canvas" ... nothing wrong with that. Problem is they really don't use FS for online ... so "Online standard" means nothing to them. Hence the FM takes a back-seat. ...And how do you know this? I have seen Yardstick many times online (usually above and behind me ), Vanderstok perhaps once and mopsis never. Unless I burn the midnight oil I am unlikely to see most of the members of this forum - it's called a timezone. ------------------ Jagdverband 44 IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 11-30- 04:58 PM Katana, I was only joking. I did not know that she was posting under your name. Better watch out this place is getting crazy for Jade. IP: Logged
Poodle EAF322 Pilot	posted 11-30- 06:17 PM I think it's ok to bring out a b�ta plane if the FM isn't correct yet, but the person who made it shouldn't abandon his old project, start a new one and leave his plane with a spitfire FM, saying "I'm not a FM guy, those will do the rest". We should make that a capital punishment. ------------------ Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's a Flying Poodle ! IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-30- 06:44 PM It doesn't bother me if new planes are undermodelled FM-wise but they usually wind up over-modelled. It can really make online play ... challenging. I LOVE your work though Mposis very cool stuff! With more people getting into FM's and the documentation out now how about asking for a volunteer to help with the FM for the new project? TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-30- 06:57 PM mposis I don't think i will be disapointed man i don't care what theater its from when will we see our first screen shot? IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 12-01- 05:01 AM Patience Spanky, we're almost done. The artwork is complete and I will try and do a nice cross section of skins for it. If you liked the bf109g-6 cockpit you will love this one IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 12-01- 06:29 PM Oh i can wait man Its all cool BTW do u model the cockpit or just texture it? i could sure use some help with mine when the time comes i love the 109 cockpit BTW IP: Logged
Katana Pilot	posted 12-02- 02:40 AM Mposis, Sorry for the confusion mate but Spanky came up with an idea that we should have done from the start.As I only have one computer I thought it could be a bit dodgy having Jade on as a registered user however after looking into it really is not hard to do,so as of the weekend Jade will be posting under her own name and also her own pic.Cheers. Kat out. ------------------ Cheers Kat out IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 12-02- 04:05 AM Spanky, I only do the texturing and some of the design work on the layout of the cockpits. Saying that it is no small job, I think I have put in about 40 hours on the new one and it's more evolutionary rather than a scratch build. MPosis is doing the 3D modelling on this one as he did with the Zero (although that was in some ways a far simpler exercise). Vanderstock did that bulk of the of the 3D work on the Gustav cockpit. For me it's relatively easy I just make extravagant requests and MPosis or Vander always seem to be able implement my ideas. IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 12-02- 07:27 AM Katana, I guess you didn't know but your daughter has been posting bad stuff already(Look in Off Topic section). You said on the weekend but it's only Thursday here. Yardstick, Do you think I can post a pic of your project? [This message has been edited by mposis (edited 12-02-1999).] IP: Logged
Katana Pilot	posted 12-02- 07:53 AM Yeh i know mate she wanted to make sure that she didn't make an idiot of herself on the weekend and put in a cupla practice posts. ------------------ Cheers Kat out IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 12-02- 12:01 PM Yardstick Ok man that 3d in the cockpit doesn't look fun at all though i guess i'll have to learn BTW who did the reflective glass? i want to have a reflective and non reflective glass cockpit option IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 12-02- 12:09 PM This post will be slated to move to Projects by the end of the day. Kopper JAG for General IP: Logged

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