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Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-28- 08:14 PM I updated the Mk1a to version 1.1 already. Here's the changes. Available on my site, link at bottom. Spitfire Mk1a Version 1.1 ---------------------------- - Moved gun ports to correct positions - Reset convergence for new gun positions now outside guns converge at 350 yards, next pair in converge at 325 yards, next pair in converge at 300 yards, next pair in converge at 275 yards - broke up gun selection into two sets of four so you can have one set on gun trigger another set on cannon trigger or fire all by using the 3 key to select all guns. TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat [This message has been edited by Tailslide (edited 11-28-1999).] IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-28- 10:17 PM Cool man i like using half my guns at a time thanks alot IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 11-29- 10:18 AM That's great work Tail. Just one point, is it possible to set the Spit 1a to use Woodpanel's cockpit. By using the Spit V cockpit sm file, I can use get it to use the correct textures but the instruments won't work. IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-29- 11:07 AM Yes you just need to extract the cockpit, change the line that says: `cannon1 `cannon2 `gun1 `gun2 `gun3 `gun4 to `gun1 `gun2 `gun3 `gun4 `gun5 `gun6 `gun7 `gun8 And change any references from Spitfire to Spitfire1a. If anyone does this maybe send it to woodpanel so he can add it to his cockpit downloads. TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
JT Pilot	posted 11-29- 12:09 PM Yes, please do. If I don't get anything in the next few days, I will convert it myself and make it available on my site. Hey, TS... I haven't checked your plane out yet because I'm in almost exclusively in Windows NT when I'm working on something... anyway, my question... is your MK1a a modification of the Spit IX or the default Spit? IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-29- 12:17 PM Which FM does it use TS? ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-29- 01:00 PM It's a modification of the 5.3 MkV.. the 3d model of the V matches the 1b so thats what I used. I reduced the weight, adjusted the CG, adjusted engine power. It's in the readme.txt file included with the zip. It still needs thorough testing and adjustment but it should be pretty close as it's based on the MkV I have a list of weights for all the pieces of the Mk1 that I can use to get the weight distribution exactly correct. Will get to this eventually but probably not in time for the next plane pack. In this case we really DO know how much the tire or wing weighs ! TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 01:53 PM Tail are u saying u do have the list of parts with all the weights? Insane maybe u should make that avalible so we can use it in other fighters if the fighter someone is working is heavier they can add a bit to each part or add if they know certain parts where more heavy and such anyway it could be cool IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-29- 02:40 PM It's on my secret PlaneStats webshare I don't want to post the link publicly for copyright reasons but if anyone needs it drop me an email. TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 11-29- 02:46 PM I've just spent 4 hours doing a BoB scheme, if anybody is interested I will mail to the Hangar. It may be a little too clean for you Tail but most BoB Spitfires didn't last long enough to get that 'beaten up' look IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 11-29- 03:44 PM Here comes that whiner AGAIN Sorry Tailside but i think the guns are STILL not correctly positioned. Let's see: Left is your version 1.1, middle is Yardstick's model. Notice that inner gun should be right outside the gear bay (and not inside, where would the gear retract into?) On the right is the modified version that was posted on the other thread http://www.fightersquadron.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000013.html You are free not to use it, and to ignore your fellow pilots' suggestions, after all Last question, shouldn't it be named "MkIa", instead of "Mk1a"? -OK, I'll stop here. Yardstick: please post! Too bad we cannot have this asymetrical B/W camo, it rocks! ------------------ Pachy's SDOE stuff perso.club-internet.fr/gledimet IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:04 PM hehe Pachy You are picky aren't ya? lol its cool though i'm sure tail will tweak them load the model pic as a back ground for OPS tail that could help it looks like the 2 middle ones should be just a tad closer together can one of u SKin wizards put some firing ports on the skin too please? I would but i suck with skins IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:05 PM ah crap i didn't scroll over to see the other pic coool IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:37 PM Spanky: i cheated, the skin was painted first and the guns positioned later (how could we do that without Openplane studio? Once again big thanks to Bryan!) Do you think I am picky? Sure, I could be ridiculous discussing on some spit sub-variant details, but the guys who did the 109 did set the standard so high (in attention to every detail, i mean) I'm sure I am not alone here... ------------------ Pachy's SDOE stuff perso.club-internet.fr/gledimet IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:51 PM Oh no man i think the pickyness is a good thing It all makes it a more authentic experience IP: Logged
Redback Pilot	posted 11-29- 06:03 PM G'Day tail, Hmmm i do like this spit.......A question if i may?.....I am not getting full rudder deflection....Was this intensional....or is that how it is meant to be? Makes for interesting take offs!.... Great work Mate, Catch-ya Red IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-30- 01:48 AM Ah ok I was going by my photo the angle made them look farther in. No offense Pachy but your time might be better spent not working on a plane at the same time as someone else or at least drop an email? We've got two versions that are out of sync now. Redback, I can take off ok and so can the AI email me the mission and I'll have a look. The rudder travel is the same as the real spitfire IX, it's intentional. TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-30- 05:02 AM Ok Pachy here you go.. I was going to update my skin with scorch marks and gun ports for Spanky so I sized your model picture to the same size as a photoshop layer and had it ghosted over top of my skin. I put the gunports in exactly the same spot. While I was in there I undid some of the "beaten" look on the skin per Yardstick's comments mostly getting rid of those annoying symmetrical paint chips at the wing root. (sorry Yardstick it's not totally "new car" look). On the plus side I have some nifty layers for adding scorch marks to clean skins. Only problem is I was partway done assigning component weights so it flies like a dog. Anyways heres a look. If anyone can tell me how to fix the texture mapping on the bottom I would love to know ! TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 11-30- 10:04 AM Hi Tail, are you going to post the updated file? I want to reposition the red canvas gun patches on my 602 sqdn Battle of Britain scheme so I can get it off to 'The Hangar' tonight. Thanks. IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 11-30- 11:34 AM Tailside: looks excellent now. Yardstick: can't wait to use that "City of Glasgow" skin! ------------------ Pachy's SDOE stuff perso.club-internet.fr/gledimet IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 11-30- 11:53 AM It doesnt fly well since I'm part way through the next bunch of FM changes. I can send you the skin when I get home from work though. TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Poodle EAF322 Pilot	posted 11-30- 12:48 PM The EAF and JV44 start on another war next thursday, and it would be a nice idea to reproduce a 1940 BoB mission. But are these planes (spit Ia and the Bf109E) ready for serious war missions yet? Or are these still kind of b�ta's? Could they go in a PP5.3 like we can download them now? ------------------ Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's a Flying Poodle ! IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 11-30- 02:06 PM Hi poodle I think the Spit MkI will be ready but the Emil is not quite on the mark (for a start the wing cannons have about 180 rounds per gun). We may surprise you though Yardstick JV44 (and actually rather interested in FM just crap at doing it) IP: Logged
Zurawski Pilot	posted 11-30- 03:01 PM .... "and actually rather interested in FM just crap at doing it" Hmm ... Is that referencing something I said? Damn ... I make one "general" statement and I get slagged for life. IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 12-01- 04:45 AM No probs Zur, just making it known in public what you know already [This message has been edited by Yardstick (edited 12-01-1999).] IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 12-02- 01:40 AM Ok I discovered OPS was adding 1000lbs fuel capacity to all my planes so I went back and redid them all. I also completed updating the MkIa from an exhaustive list of component weights for the Spitfire Ia. One catch.. the propeller blades are 350 pounds total and the propeller hub is 30 pounds now. It takes about 10 seconds to get the prop up to speed will this be annoying ? Fudging the weight on the prop may cause some changes to the performance of the plane in respect to energy retention, I'm not sure. TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
FarmerJoe Pilot	posted 12-02- 04:27 AM Tailslide the extra weight added to the prop and and the hub will decrease performance. Kinda bad but I wouldn't say dramtically. It's like a drive shaft on a car, the energy generated by the engine "horsepower" will lose potential as it travels down the drive shaft to the drive train. Then you have the weight of the wheels to turn and the weight of the car to pull. Lots of energy loss. So when you got 380 pounds of weight hanging off the end of the aircraft, the engine has to work harder just to turn the propellor, which in real life thats why if you kept it wide open for too long, too much strain on the engine and eventally oil pressure loss and overheat and lots of very bad things =). Done with the science lesson and now I'm out! FarmerJoe IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 12-02- 05:24 AM Thats what you would think but there is no discernable difference in top speed or climb rate. I guess the tough part is building up the momentum. After that SDOE uses a constant RPM. So... should I leave it like this? TS ------------------ ________________________ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
FarmerJoe Pilot	posted 12-04- 02:39 AM Well Tail, if it took that long in real life for the girl to build up speed then YEAH! Of course though you and I both know that in combat you can't really be losing speed and then having a long time to build it back up again...Am I right or am I right? take'd easy now FarmerJoe IP: Logged

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