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Smokey
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posted 01-25- 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smokey   Click Here to Email Smokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like an Enron big shot decided to bump
himself off (suposedly). He had been co-
operating with authorities and was due to
testify before congress shortly. I think
we better investigate Bush to see if he was
in any way involved. After all republicans
accused the Clintons of being involved in
Foster's death.

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3dp
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posted 01-26- 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3dp   Click Here to Email 3dp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course it's ludicrous, but so was Foster being bumped off. It'll be nice seeing the shoe on the other foot though! My guess is that if Bush ever addresses it directly, he'll do "the angry thing" he does when info is leaked to the press.

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Jerry
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posted 01-26- 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe he gave up on the corrupt society we live in Smokey. Smokey, you hear? Smokey, maybe he became as cynical as you and did the only thing he could to end his misery. Give you any ideas Smokey? What's another late term abortion?

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Smokey
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posted 01-26- 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smokey   Click Here to Email Smokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah, I think he was going to finger Bush in
the Enron scandle and Bush had him bumped
off.

Now Jerry, if I went and bumped myself off
who would you have to needle you besides your
wife?

[This message has been edited by Smokey (edited 01-26-2002).]

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Jerry
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posted 01-26- 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nail Bush in the Enron scandle? Just what is Bush supposed to have done? Accepted campaign contributions? That's illegal? Your boy Joe Lieberman accepted $250,000 from Enron and Anderson over the past 6 years. Why don't you go after him?

You and your fellow demagogues keep linking Bush to Enron but you have absolutely nothing to go on but wet dreams. Get a life. There is nothing there! No one can even invent a crime to accuse him of, let alone offer any proof.

Just because the last Democrat President was a sleeze doesn't mean it's SOP for all Presidents. Hell, Clinton raised more money renting out the Lincoln bedroom than Bush ever accepted from Enron. I know you don't believe it Smokey, but there are honest people in the world.

Don't worry about me, there are plenty of leftests out there to needle. Someone has to challenge their stupidity.

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DanW
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posted 01-26- 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DanW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe the Enron guy was fucking Jerry's wife too

...and the magic .38 that Jihad Jerry keeps wanting people to kill themselves with was used.

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Jerry
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posted 01-26- 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DanWimp, you're just jealous because your wife is so ugly and VD infested that no one will fuck her. She does give a mean blow job though, must have been practicing on the Great Dane after he fucked her. That's one hard up Great Dane.

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JT
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posted 01-26- 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JT   Click Here to Email JT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>Nail Bush in the Enron scandle? Just what is Bush supposed to have done? Accepted campaign contributions? That's illegal? Your boy Joe Lieberman accepted $250,000 from Enron and Anderson over the past 6 years. Why don't you go after him?

Once again, you are getting your news from biased and untrustworthy Conservative news sources like Newsmax. Lieberman accepted $2,500 from Enron... not $250,000.

On the issue at large... I'm not ready to say that the Bush administration did something wrong in regards to Enron. The facts aren't in yet. But even if Bush and Cheney did nothing wrong, I will be interesting to see if they knew that Enron employees and shareholders were being taken for a ride and yet did nothing to stop it.

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Jerry
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posted 01-26- 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JT, it was Lieberman and his associates, not just Lieberman. So far I came up with this:

He received $2,000 from Enron in his 1994 race and $11,500 over the years from Arthur Andersen, the auditing firm accused of concealing Enron's true condition. The New Democrats Network, a group he co-founded, has received $25,000 from Enron. His friend, adviser and former chief of staff, Michael Lewan, received $40,000 in consulting fees from Enron last year and arranged three meetings between Enron officials and Lieberman aides

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JT
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posted 01-26- 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JT   Click Here to Email JT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>JT, it was Lieberman and his associates, not just Lieberman.

Well, not to be argumentative, but if that's what you meant, then that's what you should have said in the first place.

>He received $2,000 from Enron in his 1994 race and $11,500 over the years from Arthur Andersen, the auditing firm accused of concealing Enron's true condition. The New Democrats Network, a group he co-founded, has received $25,000 from Enron. His friend, adviser and former chief of staff, Michael Lewan, received $40,000 in consulting fees from Enron last year and arranged three meetings between Enron officials and Lieberman aides

Again, not to be argumentative, but that only adds up to $78,500. That's still a lot of money, but not even half of $250,000.

Furthermore, I would take the $40,000 to Lewan off the table since that was salary for work he did.

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Smokey
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posted 01-26- 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smokey   Click Here to Email Smokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe it just looks like a lot more when it's
a democrat sucking on the corporate tit.

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Jerry
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posted 01-26- 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JT, the money amounts were from two different sources. I just haven't come up with all the details to the $250,000, only what I posted so far. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. It's still a lot more than your $2,500!

Besides, I'm not saying there is anything illegal with it. Just that whatever your wet dreams are telling you about Bush also applies to your guys. Until someone can show a quid pro quo it's no more than business as usual.

Both sides accept campaign funds from groups, companies and individuals who agree with them on issues. It's perfectly legal. FYI the Demo's raised more money for the 90 presidential campaign than the Republicans.

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Smokey
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posted 01-27- 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smokey   Click Here to Email Smokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
67% of Americans believe Bush is either hiding
something or lying about his relationship
with Enron Corp. (CBS-New York Times)

7 out of 10 believe the accounting practices
which led to the Enron colapse are widespread
in corporate america. (Time-CNN)

Looks like the public agrees with me Jerry,
maybe you outta take that 38 to your head
especially in light of your newfound love of
polls.

[This message has been edited by Smokey (edited 01-27-2002).]

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Jerry
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posted 01-27- 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The difference between you and me Smokey is that I still have faith in our system and our leaders. I may not agree with all politicians but I believe the vast majority are honest. The .38 is for suffering people with no hope, like you and the Enron guy.

Regarding the poll, what do you expect when every newspaper and TV network (excluding FOX) in the country is trying to torpedo Bush with unfounded accusations and rumors? Most Americans actually believe everything they read and hear from our liberal biased press. Americans have always loved conspiracy theories....so what? A lot of people still believe Elvis is alive, that the moon landings were a hoax and that there are extraterrestials living among us. As I recall 67% believed Clinton when he said "I did not have sex with that woman", because the press believed him. The majority of people also said they wouldn't want Clinton as their neighbor and wouldn't let them date their daughter, but they still voted for him.

Actions speak louder than words. Bush's 85% approval is based on his actions. His actions and the truth will ultimately overcome the demagoguery of our left leaning press which is salivating over the imagined ruin of GW.

You're grasping at straws Smokey. Enjoy your wet dream. Remember, "Quid Pro Quo" and don't put away your .38 yet.

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Jerry
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posted 01-27- 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also Smokey, AFAIK, it isn't "widespread accounting practices" which led to Enron's downfall. It was dishonest people doing dishonest things, or abusing accepted practices to excess and hiding the fact.

There are bad cops and bad Priests too. Are you suggesting an overhaul of police procedures and dismantling the Catholic church? Being on welfare is an "accepted practice" but some people abuse it through fraud. Is welfare fraud "widespread" just because it exists at all?

Besides, how many of the 7 out of 10 know didly squwat about "accounting practices" in the first place?

And what makes you think my appreciation of polls is "newfound"?

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Jerry
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posted 01-29- 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Smokey, here's the latest poll on the subject:

"In the USA Today/CNN/Gallup survey, 29 percent said Bush believed he would owe Enron executives special policy treatment in return for campaign contributions; 55 percent believe congressional Democrats felt that way."

Looks like most Americans trust you Democrats less than Bush. LOL

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