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Todesvogel unregistered |
posted 11-11- 07:24 PM
 
I am so sick of this statement. There is not only one God!!! If there were, then God would begin or end (spatially or temporally). God just is (if you choose to believe) without beginning or ending. The Hindu (etc) Gods are many facets of a Muslim God, in the same way that the Muslim God is a facet of a Jewish God. God is many-facetted, in the same way that a jewel is more than one facet. To distinguish otherwise, is to create an excuse for war. IP: Logged |
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Snickers Pilot |
posted 11-12- 10:29 AM
 
Actually, the God of the Muslims, the God of the Jews and the God of the Christians are all the same God. It's what prophet do you believe type of thing. All thre religions trace directly back to Abraham. Or as is often quoted the God of Abraham. Beyond that, I aint touchin this thread IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 11-12- 12:36 PM
A belief in one god is no more valid than a belief in a dozen gods. It's all a matter of faith. IP: Logged |
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3dp Cadet |
posted 11-12- 11:47 PM
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Sunray Pilot |
posted 11-16- 10:18 AM
At the risk of getting into this, ALL religion is pure superstition. It's to explain things we don't understand. You'd think that after a thousand plus years of bullshit in the name of religion, mankind could dispose of it and think for himself. [This message has been edited by Sunray (edited 11-16-2001).] IP: Logged |
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Snickers Pilot |
posted 11-16- 11:38 AM
Kind of like evolution eh? IP: Logged |
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Lothar Pilot |
posted 11-16- 01:39 PM
Ah, but evolution is a supposition derived from science, which is a process of documenting and testing observable and repeatable phenomenon. Evolution isn't a fact, its a guess, but at least its a guess based on something objective. There is nothing objective about religion. Its all faith. IP: Logged |
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Snickers Pilot |
posted 11-16- 04:17 PM
It takes just as much faith to believe that evolution is fact as it does any of the religions.... (and maybe a little more). IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 11-16- 04:38 PM
I disagree Snickers. There is a lot of physical evidence supporting the "theory" of evolution...fossils, DNA similarities between species, human embryos which have tails at early stages. What physical evidence is there that God exists, or ever existed? This isn't to say that there isn't a God, you can't prove a negative, just that it is a matter of faith, not physical evidence. Talk to almost any theolgian (I don't mean the corner bible thumper) and they will tell you the same. IP: Logged |
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Lothar Pilot |
posted 11-16- 04:40 PM
Scientists don't believe evolution as a whole is a "fact", just that it is a best guess based on imperical data. This is at least an attempt at learning the truth based on objective fact, which can't be said of religious faith. IP: Logged |
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Snickers Pilot |
posted 11-16- 07:13 PM
There is NOT ONE case where it can be proved that one spieces evolved into another. There are others however, where one spiecies mates with another, is viable (can have offspring) but doesnt because neither of the species it came from wants it. Evolution is a big time SWAG. If you want to believe it fine. But there is no proof. I am not talking about the validity or invalidity of evolution as a theory (or any combination of it and creationism). Similarities between species could be just as much of a coincidence as the plane crashing in Rockaway Beach. Actually even less as there are only a finite combination of genes and chromosomes.... My only point is there are no hard facts to back it up, and plenty to say it isnt so... Just like religion. IP: Logged |
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Lothar Pilot |
posted 11-16- 07:46 PM
People accept evolution because it is a likely explaination that can be derived from the world we see around us. We see life has changed on the geologic scale (fossil evidence), and we see how life changes on the personal scale (children have similar characteristics to their parents). We look at the facts around us and come up with a theory to explain them. If science discovered a new phonomenon which makes evolution obsolete (i.e. a more likely explaination), then we'd accept the new theory. Creationists take a fixed dogma, and try to force the existing world to fit their belief. This is a big difference. The Bible says there was a flood, so the Creationists start looking for a way that you can fit a flood into geological history. Creationists can have thier beliefs (obviously), but to pretend it is science, or has any scientific validity is a fraud. The Creationist premise is inherently unscientific since it goes against the basic scientific principals of measuring observable and repeatable phenomenon BEFORE you create a theory which is backed up by the observations. IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 11-16- 08:28 PM
"Just like religion." Not quite. You don't see evolutionists killing non-believers. The point is Snickers, if neither one can be proven as you say, if both can only be accepted on faith as you say, since the foundation for both is so weak, why do religous people get in such an uproar over evolution? Also, you say there are "plenty" of hard facts which prove evolution isn't possible. Please tell me what they are. IP: Logged |
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Todesvogel unregistered |
posted 11-17- 03:33 PM
For some people, the concept of God is no more real than the word ("God") printed on a page. For other people, God is a driving lifeforce that compells them to do some things. It is interesting that God exists in the life of a non-believer...even if that existance is only a word which doesn't have any intrinsic spirtual meaning for the individual. Like a meme. God is completely pervasive (concept), even to the nonbelievers. But, I just wanted to say there was not 1 God because the unit 1 is bound by 0 & 2... God (concept) is more like infinity...not one. By says there is 1 God is to draw an artificial barrier between God A and God B and God k+1. IP: Logged |
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Fighting Irish Cadet |
posted 01-27- 03:31 PM
By the end of his life, Darwin had given up on his 'THEORY' (that's THEORY!!!)of Evolution and turned to Christianity. Strange that, eh? IP: Logged |
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3dp Cadet |
posted 01-27- 03:48 PM
FI, I think your statement hits the very nub of the problem. You (and many others) compare religions (Christianity) to science (the Theory of Evolution) in an apples/apples way, when they are most certainly apples and oranges. Science strives to know the world, past and present through verifiable experiments. That it's known as the THEORY of Evolution is a strength, not a weakness. It is constantly changing as we improve our methods and learn ever more. It has taken us to the stars. Religion is a matter of faith, the opposite of the above description. Its main concern SHOULD be with people's souls and how they live their lives in interaction with others. In Christianity, it should be irrelevant whether or not the Bible is literally true. Those who dwell on that are missing the whole point and misleading others for their own ends. What is important is the core message of "Do unto others as you would have done unto you", and other such wonderful teachings. The Catholic Church is not my favorite organization, but I will say this for them. I went to Catholic school for 12 years and I was taught the Theory of Evolution in both grade school and high school, by priests no less. They certainly do not see the two as mutually exclusive and neither should we. It is the mixing of the roles of science and religion by those with other agendas that distracts us from the real matters of life and drives others, such as myself, away from any organized religion as all we see is the triviality and hipocracy. Very sad indeed. ------------------ [This message has been edited by 3dp (edited 01-27-2002).] IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 01-27- 06:26 PM
I never met a Jesuit that I didn't like.  IP: Logged |
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wat Cadet |
posted 01-27- 11:00 PM
When I was a kid, maybe 5 or 6 years old, I could sometimes lie very still in my bed at night and stare at the corner of the wall above the door. After a few moments I could sort of feel the room change, soon it felt like the room became very small, like the size of a match box and i was also shrunken within the match box. For some reason this feeling made me think that perhaps nothing was real except myself, everything only looked real and since it was all I knew I believed it was real. I remember talking to my dad about this and he said that it was called Solipsism. It's an ammusing belief in that if you become a believer there is no point in talking to anyone about it because noone else exists. Here's aquote from a Solipsist web ring, "If you aren't a genuine solipsist, you don't belong on the Web Ring. Conversely: if you are a genuine solipsist, then you believe that there is noone else who could come to your page. Thus, you wouldn't care if you were part of a Web Ring. Catch 22." wat IP: Logged |
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