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Smokey Pilot |
posted 09-22- 01:25 PM
   
Ok, I know everything is supposed to be hunky- dory between dems and repubs but politics and agendas are still politics and agendas. The towers had barely quit crumbling when Bush My question: Will republicans use this tragety Coments? IP: Logged |
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Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot |
posted 09-22- 03:38 PM
Yep they will. EVERYONE is going to use this to futher their own means. People are selling t shirts. Guns stores and flag stores are selling out, the candle makers must be loving it. The intelligence guys won't consider that they messed up but rather will say they didn't have enough money and need a larger budget. The military will say they are underfunded and need more money to respond to these kind of threats. I say that this whole deal proves that a missle defence system isn't needed. and Jerry says this proves we do need one cause next time it might be a balistic missle. See what I mean? EVERYONE will use it for something. To make money, to prove or disprove something. I'm sure we can think of more, and I'm sure its not just the republicans using this as an opportunity. IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 09-22- 03:57 PM
You're both right. The Republicans and the rich Capitalists planned the whole thing to line their pockets. We shouldn't do anything differently. No increase in intelligence services. No increase in defense spending. No more tax cuts to stimulate the economy. Stop selling T-shirts, flags and guns. No expenditures to stop a terrorist threat that hasn't been tried yet. Would that make you guys happy? Did I cover everything you are against? IP: Logged |
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Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot |
posted 09-22- 05:43 PM
Stop making a fool of yourself putting words into my mouth Jerry. I never said any of that, I said thats what the respective people WILL say. I never said don't spend more on money military or intelligence. I said the military will point to this as a reason they need more money, BIG DIFFERENCE. I was citing examples of different interest groups using this disaster to futher their own needs. NOT stuff I was for or against. If you want to argue about the issues I raised ok, But I havn't said if any of those things are good or bad yet have I? Except missles, I don't think terrorists will use balistic missles, Nukes yes, but not mounted on a missle riding over the atlantic. [This message has been edited by Spanky the Mad Dog (edited 09-22-2001).] IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 09-23- 12:32 PM
Spanky, you and Smokey are both saying that the politicians and businessmen will use this tragedy to further their own personal greedy agendas. What we are actually seeing is the appropriate response to deal with these events. There is a big difference. Agendas have been abandoned by both parties to do what is right. If the appropriate responses happen to parallel the goals and agenda of a particular philosophy or party then perhaps we should listen to that philosophy or party more than we have in the past. You are both overly cynical, distrustful and pessimistic....always afraid that you are going to get screwed by the establishment. IP: Logged |
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Smokey Pilot |
posted 09-23- 01:08 PM
Again Jerry you seem to think you have developed mind reading talents. I stated only what Bush has all ready stated. The first thing he did was use the tragedy to push a capital gains tax cut, something the republicans have wanted for years. I don't see how giving wealthy people a larger tax cut is going to help the current situation. Take me to task for that belief if you want but don't add to it. I mentioned missle defense as another possibility. I am equally worried that Dems may use this as an excuse to push gun control. I imagine if that would happen you would get pretty distrustful and pesimistic. [This message has been edited by Smokey (edited 09-23-2001).] IP: Logged |
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Snickers Pilot |
posted 09-23- 07:02 PM
quote: Spanky - What happened on 9.11 is something so far out of the norm (even if you accept terrorism as the norm) that you could have laid all the available facts in front of any anylist and they would have discounted it. Why? Certainly not because they are stupid. But not only was this act beyond comprehension, it was also beyond imagination. If you cannot immagine an act happening, it would be hard to give it credence. IP: Logged |
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Smokey Pilot |
posted 09-23- 07:13 PM
Sorry Snickers but there are some experts who don't agree with you. They believe the CIA, FBI and NSA really dropped the ball on this one. I realize these people do a lot of good that IP: Logged |
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Snickers Pilot |
posted 09-23- 07:42 PM
Not saying they didnt goof (especially since I believe they did...) But you are looking at something at a scale so large I do believe it possible that they saw it, said "Nah cant be that..." and kept looking. Problem is, it was that.... IP: Logged |
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Sunray Pilot |
posted 09-24- 10:12 AM
I'm not convinced the spooks screwed this up. As far as any of us know, they have little or no HumInt assests (how's that for jargon?) in the area and it'd be extremely difficult to put them there. Big blond guys stand out like sore thumbs in the Middle East. It's kind of like Japan in WW 2. No spooks running around taking pictures of Japanese military stuff because our side couldn't blend in there like we could in Europe. I'm sure the SAS and the Green Berets are sneaking around but that's not the same as having a guy sitting next to Bin Laden at breakfast. The other thing is with the number of people flying all over the place in North America et al, it'd be imppossible to keep track of everybody. And it wouldn't be allowed anyway. Goes against our freedom of movement rights. IP: Logged |
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Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot |
posted 09-24- 10:42 AM
No I'm not saying Intel fucked up, I don't see how they are supposed to know everything that is going on, and anyone still have any privacy and freedom. I thought it was dumb too that everyone was pointing at them. What I'm trying to say is EVERYONE will use this to their own advantage. EVERYONE, including us. IP: Logged |
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Sunray Pilot |
posted 09-25- 11:51 AM
Well, I don't have much but I do have some towels I could be persuaded to part with for a small consideration. I understand they'd come in handy up in the mountains of Afghanistan. IP: Logged |
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Torque Pilot |
posted 10-04- 10:30 AM
Smokey, I don't see the logic in bashing Bush or the Republicans in this instance. Maybe, just maybe it's not a conspiracy (capital gains tax cut) but rather an honest attempt to help the economy? Just because you think its a bad idea don't go off on a conspiracy tangent. It's time to unite America. Lets not divide ourselves, if the plan doesn't have merits attack the plan not the motives of the plan makers. [This message has been edited by Torque (edited 10-04-2001).] IP: Logged |
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weasel Pilot |
posted 10-06- 07:34 AM
I don't know whether or not the Republicans will resort to Democrat tactics or not. But I have heard that the Democrats have used this already. There was a concert that was supposed to benifit the Red Cross but its origional agenda was for more gun control. weasel IP: Logged |
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Smokey Pilot |
posted 10-06- 08:38 AM
Republicans (Trent Lot, Tom Delay, Dick Army and cronies) all ready are using it. They want a capital gains tax cut for their rich buddies supposedly to help the sagging economy. Bush first called for it right after the terrorist attacks but has since backed off of it. IP: Logged |
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Sv JAG |
posted 10-06- 10:33 AM
Yea, some people still believe that America is a capitalist nation. IP: Logged |
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Smokey Pilot |
posted 10-06- 11:48 AM
I still say, watch for more to come. Missle defence (govt. money to their defense contractor buddies). Invest your social security in wall st. (hard working people's retirement money put into the hands of their corporate buddies). And, yes, a move by the democrats for gun control. IP: Logged |
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General Accident Pilot |
posted 10-06- 12:54 PM
Sorry im not up on USA intelligence/politics. For what its worth.... the reason it was allowed to happen was because youve no security on internal flights. A gap in your 'system' which was exploited. Youll find in times like this theres always someone who will exploit the situation to make money/further there own interests. ie t-shirts/candles/military budgets etc. That isnt to say it doesnt do any good as it all helps to unite a peoples after disaster. Theres always a conspiracy......its proving it thats tricky. If you think that the people in power sit there and dont look at all possibilities including conspiracys then your living in a dreamworld. Its the same as thinking that an attack on america couldnt happen, even if you spend millions on defense (which hasnt defended you) In the end no one knows what the people in power are really thinking (except the people in power themselves, even then i have my douobts plus its all screened for the public consumption), but be rest assured there thinking far faster/wider than any of us 'everyday' people. Thats not to say they make the right decisions. its all down to self interest at the end of the day. Just for instance in the uk all talk on public transport, NHS ( a big issue for some people here) has been dropped, literally no media coverage or political speak on the subject at all........if this isnt selective information distribution/deliberation for political points then i dont know what is. IP: Logged |
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