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Jerry Pilot	posted 09-14- 11:26 AM It's always more satisfying to kill an enemy who fights back. They just signed their own death warrant. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 09-14- 11:36 AM What exactly would you do if people tried to come to your country and extract people by force? Specialy if you plan to kill or overthrow the Taliban. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-14- 11:39 AM We extradite criminals everyday, asshole. Quit trying to defend these bastards! IP: Logged
DanW Pilot	posted 09-14- 01:45 PM Spanky, What would you do if some of your fellow country men were killed for no reason without provocation? Get it? IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 09-14- 03:39 PM Spanky, is your middle name Chamberlain? C'mon, where are you getting this crap from, realy man, are you just trying to be argumentative? They actively support Bin Ladin, hell you know that already, they have numerous terrorist training camps, but you know that too, whats your major malfucntion here? [This message has been edited by Nat (edited 09-14-2001).] IP: Logged
3dp Pilot	posted 09-14- 04:38 PM Frankly, the more I think about it, despite being the bleeding heart liberal that I am, I find myself thinking that if Bin Laden does turn out to have been behind it, a declaration of war on Afganistan is not so crazy. After all, they have been harboring him for years, always knowing that something like this (or worse, i.e. nuclear, biological, chemical) could happen. My honest opinion is that they have gambled and lost. I don't think they really thought anything this major would ever really happen. Frankly, on the whole, neither did we. We've been pushing for his extradition for years so it's not like this is anything new. I've read elsewhere about comparing this US support for the IRA, and I must say this is ridiculous. Some misguided and ill-informed citizens aiding the IRA is light years away from a national government which actively protects and aids terrorists. Let us simply apply terrorist logic to the situation. If the US has brought this upon itself by its policies internationally, then the Afghan government, by its policies and actions has brought retribution upon itself. They may say they do not share the terrorist rational, but by allowing it to exist unhindered if not outright protected, they are unavoidably condoning it, so why not apply it to them? If the suspicions turn out to be true, Afghanistan should pay, but we should not allow ourselves to take our eye off the main target, which as Colin Powell seemed to hint at on Thursday, all terrorist organizations which have threatened the West, whether or not they were directly involved in Tuesday's actions or not. By their past actions and words, they have proven that they would not hesitate to engage in such massive destruction. Under the circumstances, preemptive strikes are warranted. The legal model should go, and the war fighting model should be adopted. ------------------ Be seeing you, 3dp Visit RAF Harkness! [This message has been edited by 3dp (edited 09-14-2001).] IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 09-14- 05:55 PM God, I just asked what were you exspecting? Really, you thougt they would just bend over and take it? You didn't see this coming? I'm not saying that you can't retaliate, I'm just wondering why is suprises you that they vow revenge? IP: Logged
3dp Pilot	posted 09-14- 11:23 PM Spanky, I got your point and I agree completely. My response at least, was not targeted at your post. This thread just seemed to be the right place to express my current thinking (I don't get out much!). That said, I don't think any threats they're making carry any weight since, as someone else pointed out in another thread, we're going to get attacked if we: - Do nothing - Do a token response - Bomb them back to the Stone Age - Beat them at their own game a la the British experience in Malaya (my advocated option as I've expressed elsewhere). - Any combination of the above options or others I haven't mentioned! In my mind, it's just a choice now of which option or combination of options will result in the least number of effective 'counter attacks' and maybe even result in some sort of victory. As George Stephanopolous, a former member of the Clinton administration, said during Kosovo, there are no good choices in situations like this, just less bad ones. Sad but true. ------------------ Be seeing you, 3dp Visit RAF Harkness! IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 09-15- 02:37 AM In vowing revenge for any attacks agianst Afganistan, the Taliban have proved their terrorist intentions, how do I know that you ask? Think about it, how on earth is Afganistan going to get revenge on the USA (or any other nation against them)? By attacking the USA with it's military might? ROFLMAO, I think not.. the only way they could get revenge is again by terrorist actions, and this statement proves once and for all that they not only give Bin Ladin sanctuary, but actively support him and other terrorist actions. Make an example of them, let the rest of the terrorist supporting world know and understand what will happen if they are found harbouring terrorists. Afterall, this is the only form of action they understand, and I personly would rather see people/soldiers die in the cause of comabting terrism, in an attempt to build a better future, than to do nothing at all and watch this only get worse. Make no mistake, things will get worse, not big attacks like this one ofcourse, but more carbombs ect. In the USA this might be a new thing, but I'm English, and we've grown used to it over the years with the IRA, so in the same way so must the US get used to it, knowing that they are working to a noble goal, and they are not alone in the fight. BUT, in the end our children will reap the rewards, or maybe our childrens children, but one day in the not to distant future the wold could be a very different place with the maor nations n this planet having a common goal, and working together. I can think of no better war to engage in, than one against terrorism. IP: Logged
Sunray Pilot	posted 09-17- 12:05 PM Spanky, the Yanks have been doing this kind of thing for years. Kidnapping foreign nationals and interferring in foreign countries' domestic affairs, I mean. Noreiga is and example. The Shah of Iran is another. Take a pill. IP: Logged
Burkey Pilot	posted 09-20- 03:49 PM Nat, I'm a little confused. You say that if the taliban vow revenge they are stamping there terrorist intentions. If my country was bombed, i would not consider it a terrorist act to bomb that country back, as we would be at war (not that I would support the Taliban by any stratch of the imagination). If I bought a fighter jet and bombed them would it be ok? The Russians were the agressor in afganistan, we all sponsored afgan retaliation there, more than we would care to admit.Did we sponsor terrorist action in that case? Why is this different?. I hate how the west has re- written the rules of war. We can bomb Iraq daily yet we are not at war.I thought that was illegal. If the british army murders civilians in N.Ireland as they have done, I consider that no less a barbaric terrorist act than when the IRA bomb civilians in England. Do you? I want to see the scum whop did this burn in hell, and on earth if possible, I also wouldn't cry any tears if I witnessed the Taliban extremistists suffer a similar fate. I would object to accessive civilain casualties as I feel that would make as as bad as they are. We are talking about a country where woman are executed in football stadiums for commiting adultery. Would you have the courage to stand up to a regime like this? IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 09-20- 05:18 PM Bomb them back to the Stone Age Sorry thats already been done over and over, they LIVE in the stone age. There is no infrustructure. IP: Logged
Sv JAG	posted 09-20- 06:26 PM A war against the Taliban would suck, Afganistan is not a place for us to do battle. Bush is on the righ track, we will use our brains and power to beat them where it hurts- the bank. If we are willing to be patient and stick to it... and try hard, we will elimante almost all of the threat. I can live with a car bomb now and then, let's just put an end to this startegic war effort from so-called terrorists. The attack against us was not terrorism, it was indeed a war-like act. The one thing I can't stand is today's attitude that things can't be done. When did we learn this bad attitude? This is NOT the American spirit... we didn't get where we are today buy giving up and pouting. IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 09-20- 06:42 PM Burkey, as my post, and commen sense dictates, Afganistan "CAN'T" get revenge on the USA via military menas, last I heard they didn't have any strategic long range bombers, hell they don't even have an army! So, if a country with no army, navy or airforce tells me they will get revenge on my, and I know 100% for sure that they don't have the capability to strike back at me, then I would certainly (in this case) take that to mean terrorist actions. The fact that war is war doesn't change, usualy you expect to be attacked, but there's a small difference here, I doubt any afgan troops will arrive in the US with bombs.. no uniform = terrorists in my book. So, from an ex soldier, there's no re-writing of the rules going on. If they can't attack on a military level then anything they do isn't an action of war but terrorism. we all did the same in WW2 and in most conflicts since, but you seem to have completly missed the point. They have no armed forces, and no itelligence service, any attacks by them on other countries can only be an act of terrorism. As for N.I. I realy don't think you should go there... Anyway, in the end there will be acceptable civilian casualties on thier side if industry is hit, but in general this isn't a war against the people, it's against Bin Ladin and the Taliban and terrorism in general, I seriously don't think that we're going to attack all the little villages and the old man hearding goats. IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 09-20- 06:47 PM SV, I agree on all points, as for Afganistan, if/when we go to war with them, I realy don't think we'er talking about anything like an invasion force being sent in, I could be wrong, but I don't think any of us wants to see large numbers of ground troops sent in, the job can be done by the airforce and the SAS I reckon. But yes, this ability of terrorists to plan attacks with no threat of being found has to be stopped, all active terrorist groups need to be hunted and attacked whenever possible, keep them on the back foot for a change. IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 09-20- 07:17 PM LOL, here's what Bush's speech should sound like tonight. Good evening my fellow Americans. First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people of New York and all Americans who are grieving in this tragic time. You can rest assured that anything and everything that can be done to assure the safety of our country will be done. This is the greatest country in the world and we Will get through this trying time. Now is the time for all people to set aside our petty differences and show the world that no one or no thing can destroy the fortitude of the great American People. And to the people responsible for this tragedy, I say this: Are you fucking kidding me? Are the turbans on your heads wrapped too tight? Have you gone too long without a bath? Do you not know who you are fucking with? Americans are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at each other every day. We will relish the opportunity of new targets for our aggression. Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last people that started fucking around with us? Remember those little yellow bastards over in Japan? We slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2 million of them in their own back yard. In America, that's what we call a big ass barbecue. And while we were kicking the shit out of the Japanese, we also kicked Hitler's ass all the way back to Berlin because nobody else in Europe could. Ever seen Texas on a map? Ever wonder why it's so big? Because we wanted it that way. Mexico started jacking around with the Alamo and now they cut our lawns. England? We sent them packing.....twice. See a pattern yet? Ask your buddy Saddam about fucking with the good "ole USA. The only reason he got away the first time is because it's too hard to shoot someone when you're doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't trained to laugh and shoot at the same time. Now he couldn't stop a pack of cub scouts from taking over his shitty little country. Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter box. Go ahead and try to hide Bin Laden. There's not a hole deep enough or a mountain high enough that's going to keep your camel riding asses safe. And quit threatening us with retaliation from you government because none of you are going to see next year. We will bomb every inch of any country that harbors him, his camps and any place that looks and even smells like he was there. Hell, we might even drop a few bombs on people that have pissed us off in the past just because we can. This is America. We kick ass and don't take names. We don't care who you are. This is what we do. You should have brushed up on your American history before picking a fight with us. Go ahead, laugh and celebrate in the streets now, but the Tomahawk and Cruise Missiles are coming and we will roll you up and smoke your sorry asses just like everyone else who has ever pissed us off like this. Thank you. And God Bless America! IP: Logged
Psi Pilot	posted 09-20- 10:54 PM I find this distasteful and repulsive and also I laughed my ass off!!! You should be ashamed (hehe) of yourself. P IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-21- 02:30 AM I don't know Smokey....the bit about America being the best country in the world might alienate some people. Right Spanky? IP: Logged
Burkey Pilot	posted 09-21- 08:33 AM Nat, I dont think I missed your point, if a country does not have the power to strike back by 'military means, should they sit and take it? (I'm not supporting them here, I am just questioning the reason) Oh, and with regards to N.I, I feel entitled to 'go there' saying as I've been here all my life. IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 09-22- 06:21 AM Burkey, didn't know you were Irish, or atleast living there, thats fine then, I expected this to be the usual crap from people that have no idea, but you obviously know. I loved Ireland when I was there, but whats gone on there for the last hundred years or so is a pretty immotive subject for both sides, and one best not dragged up, best to let the peace process take it's course without holding onto old grudges and things that happend in the past, I hope the UDP and Sinn Fien realise this soon and both start to accept they can't have everything their own way. But still, it is a difficult subject and one I hope we don't get into a discussion about here, lets just hope that we finaly get peace. IP: Logged

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