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Todesvogel Pilot |
posted 09-10- 10:05 PM
   
Ok GIs, you can talk your stuff here. I know a brilliant (my opinion) Lebanese guy who says Sadamn Hussain was left in power to keep the other Middle-E countries in check (including Israel). Soon as one of them countries stepped outta line, the Civilain Government lets Sadamn puff up and spew on 'em. The History channel says 80% casualties were expected on our side during the Gulf War. I'm guessing those casualties didn't materialize because Sadamn didn't use Weapons of Mass Destruction (against us and his soliders simultaneously?). True? Or are you guys just THAT good? IP: Logged |
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Snickers Pilot |
posted 09-12- 12:59 PM
Consider the following: 1) We didn't attack immediately, but at a time and place of our choosing. 2) The high tech weapons performed beter than anyone imagined (including the M1A1, the Patriot missles and the helicopters). 3) Daily bombing of the bunkers by B52s I don't know that the 52's did that much damage after the first couple of days. Try sleeping though while this is going on... 4) FAE (Fuel Air Explosion) The land mines that were supposed to have caused so much injury and death to the US side were largely nullified by FEA detonations. An FEA will send out shockwaves great enough to detonate even some non-conact mines (and definately pressure sensitive mines). 5) The M1A1 tank itself. It shoots more accurately on the run. Has a greater range than the Soviet T80's and T-72's that Iraq was using. Has night vision. The last battle against the Republican Guards was fought in the rain. We were outside their range, they couldnt see us but we could see them. As a result they were decimated. 6) At the time of the invasion, many commanders had been called back to Bhagdad. 7) Complete and total air superiority(sp?). I am sure there are some things I missed, but this will do for starters... IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 09-12- 01:29 PM
You also left out the fact that the ragheads aren't good for much more than blowing up civilians (US and Israeli). Little Isreal, outnumbered and outgunned 10 to 1 kicked their collective asses twice. Why do you think the Arab military won't attack Israel again and resorts to terrorism? They know that Isreal will hand'em their head in a basket and take over next time. They also know that Israel has nukes and isn't afraid to use them. IP: Logged |
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Todesvogel Pilot |
posted 09-12- 07:36 PM
Cool. I hope the country is now capable to doing what the Islamic crazies have forced the US Military to take on. How profetic was my question? Up until yesterday, I wasn't a total fan of Israel (not totally against either...but). I no longer have a problem with the support we give the Israelies. I suspect many americans now feel this way. I suspect the Arabs now realize that the Israelies may soon become the owners of Middel Eastern oil. IP: Logged |
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Nat JAG |
posted 09-12- 08:19 PM
A large reason thats been missed, is the fact that the Iraqis "dug in", their guns and a large majority of their armoured units were hull down, meaning they thought they would be pretected from our fire, which wasn't true, DU-FSAPDS goes though almost anything like a hot knife through butter, but they also then had the disadvantage of being stuck pointing in the wrong direction (artillery) when we came round the side, their artillery was useless once we did that, and their armour was now in fixed postions and effectively surrounded. In short, they lost on the ground because we were moile while they were static, a very old mistake and rather supprising. Ofcourse everything that Snick mentioned also played it's part, but being on the ground myself I got to see their positions and it wasn't hard to workout what made it all so easy for us. (DU-FSAPDS - Deplieted Uranium - Fin Stabalised Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot) IP: Logged |
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semmern Pilot |
posted 09-13- 02:08 PM
Dudes, you do know that the Israeli pilots are in some cases better than US pilots? I've read interviews with USAF fighter drivers who said that the Israelis kicked their butts in a close dogfight. IP: Logged |
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Nat JAG |
posted 09-13- 07:31 PM
Thats not supprising at all semmern, the Isrealis fly combat sorties every day of their lives, US pilots fly sims. IP: Logged |
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Wing Chaps Pilot |
posted 09-13- 09:11 PM
Woah, I work with U. S. Navy pilots! I'll take the comment about U. S. pilots fly sims as hyperbole to contrast them from the Israelis who constantly fly in a potentially hostile environment (you heard me, when was the last time a Palestinian flew a combat mission). Now, I don't want to take anything away from the Israeli pilots, but I will say that I know for a fact MY pilots, specifically the F-14s of the Swordsmen and the F/A-18s of the Gunslingers, the Bulls, and now VMF/A-115, aren't used to being beat by the Israelis. And, no, they aren't flying combat missions now, we got back in May from a 6-month deployment during which combat missions were flown... And the Air Force, They aren't exactly used to getting beat, either, and they do fly combat missions as well... Now I think you just meant to praise the Israelis, and they are worthy of it. But this is Flame Wars, and I am close to the pilots of Carrier Wing 3! Chaps Out IP: Logged |
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Jerry Pilot |
posted 09-13- 09:48 PM
I'm just thankful they're both on the same side.  I don't think anyone anywhere would want to go up against them.IP: Logged |
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Nat JAG |
posted 09-14- 07:36 AM
Hey Chaps, just trying to point out that unike most US pilots, Isreali pilots are in action every day and always on the highest alert states, no sorties unloaded or carying dummies, so you would naturlay expect them to be better than most US pilots, but as Jery said.. it's pretty cool we're all on the same side Doesnt mean the some US pilots can't beat them, or are atleast as good as them, only on the whole you'd expect more out of an Isreali (or almost any pilot with a modern fighter that only flys battle sorties) IP: Logged |
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Sunray Pilot |
posted 09-17- 12:58 PM
I don't recall "daily B-52 raids". I do recall hearing about one and if it were me on the receiving end, that'd be enough. The helicopters, specifically the Apaches, were down more than the weren't. They don't like, rather they didn't, the sand being in everything and everywhere. FAE's? I don't remember hearing about them either. The Engineers used a sort of rocket launched Det cord, only bigger the blow gaps in the mine fields and regular bulldozers, or was it dozer tanks, to push down the berm. The Patriot didn't work as well as you think. Or so they're saying now. Missed more than it hit and close isnt good enough. The Abrams on the other hand proved to be an outstanding tank. Good armour, invented in England. The sabot round worked like hot dam but everybody kew that. (Sabot rounds aren't new.) Fire suppression system that's so good they couldn't low in place an Abramns that had become stuck in sand. Recovery sent a recovery vehicle that couldn't budge it. So it was decided blow the thing up. Boom goes the charge. Whoosh, goes the fire suppression system and out goes the fire. So fast the electronics still worked. They finally pulled the tank out of the sand with a heavy recovery vehicle, refitted it and sent it back to work. What won that war was the ineptitude of the other side. You can't leave troops hanging about in desert for extended periods with no logistics and expect them to fight. IP: Logged |
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