posted 04-01- 01:37 PM               

The Hollywood crowd, through movies and TV, will do anything to brainwash the public to their liberal agenda. Here is a good example.

posted 04-01- 02:55 PM               

The notion that Bush is stupid was not created by Hollywood or the media. It is an impression in people's minds that Bush himself created.

Truth be told, I think the guy is intelligent and extremely underestimated. The problem is that regardless of what any of us think about the guy, we all have to admit that he is inarticulate... especially when compared to past presidents. He makes this worse by acting very nervous when he speaks. Also, to be honest, his facial features make him looks kind of dopey... tiny head, beady eyes too close together, large ears. He is almost boyish... definitely not the wise-looking and commanding presence we expect from a leader. Like it or not, this makes him a perfect target for comedians.

I suppose the fact that Bush is a republican makes it easier for Hollywood, which is mostly liberal, to make fun of the guy, but that's only a very small part of it.

In any case, there is no need to be hypersensitive about this. All presidents take a beating in the media. You're just whining about it because after 8 years of Clinton, you're not used to seeing your guy get ripped apart.

posted 04-02- 09:33 AM            

How many days a year do you actually get out of the bomb shelter Jerry?

posted 04-02- 11:04 AM            

1. Nobody watches Comedy Central.
2. Bush is a good subject. Some of his quotes are good material.
3. He does look like a monkey.

What's so bad about a show mocking Bush? Is it any worse than Survivor or Tempation Island? I guess Survivor is more of Jerry's and Limbaugh Kids speed....Team up with your buddies, and then fuck them at the last minute to make a profit. Doesn't sound very liberal to me.

posted 04-02- 02:57 PM               

Presidents are fair game for comedians. I have no quarrel with that....and I agree that GW leaves himself wideopen for satire and jokes, but a whole series after only 3 months in office? I guess it just proves how desperate liberals are.

posted 04-02- 03:34 PM            

It's Temptation Island you Bone head!

Prop out

posted 04-02- 06:44 PM               

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."

"I understand small business growth; I was one."

"More and more of our imports come from overseas."

"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world and we knew exactly who the they were. It was us versus them. And it was clear who the them was."

On the bright side, if Cheney dies, Quayle is probably still available...should be good for some laughs

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posted 04-02- 08:12 PM               

Hey DanW, does this make him George of the jungle???

IMHO anyone stupid enough to run for that office deserves to be made fun of, no matter what party..

posted 04-03- 09:31 AM            

Sorry Jerry, I don't watch Survivor either. But, if you are trying to tell me that you don't have any clue about that show, then you REALLY do need to get out of the bomb shelter.

There was an article in the paper about the new Bush Show. Apparently, the two guys that made South Park (that's a TV show to all you 24 hour, workaholic, tax paying conservatives) said during last year's election that they were going to do a spoof on the president...no matter if it was Gore OR Bush that won. So here, we are, Bush won and they are making the show.

So, if you believe what you read, this blows Jerry's hysterical theory about liberal Hollywood totally out of the water.

posted 04-03- 01:43 PM               

Do you believe everything you read, Dan? They're just trying to cover their asses to avoid criticisms like mine. Use some of your college trained taxpayer paid logic for a change.

posted 04-03- 02:07 PM               

Uh... yeah... the guys who make South Park want to avoid criticism from Conservatives. Get real.

posted 04-03- 04:21 PM               

All I'm saying is that the guys who make South Park are crass and thrive on controversy... they have no reason whatsoever to "cover their asses" with regards to their reasoning for making this Bush parody. If you would check out South Park sometime, you would see that not only do those guys not care if they offend anyone, but that they actually enjoy offending people.

In any case, Dan is right... you are wrong. The guys did make the statement. I remember hearing about it during the elections.

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Originally posted by Jerry:
Sorry JT. I've never seen South Park. I didn't know it was directly aimed at Bush.

uhhhhhh....if it's not, then why are you comparing the two? More liberal logic? hmmmm....I better rephrase that. Those are mutually exclusive terms.

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posted 04-03- 04:48 PM               

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Originally posted by Jerry:
Then why didn't we ever see any "Clinton" controversy from these guys when he was in office, if they thrive on it so much? They had 8 years of material to use, not 3 months...which is my whole point....double standard from the media. Hell, they could have had two shows....one about bubba and another about Mrs. bubba, and never run out of things to ridicule.

Now what part don't you understand?

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posted 04-03- 10:05 PM               

Unfortunately their actions reflect the politics of 90% of Hollywood. And like it or not, TV and movies are the source of information and attitudes for more and more people, especially the young. When a cultural entity with that much influence exhibits such a strong political bias, be it right or left, it is dangerous.

posted 04-04- 04:08 PM               

They make fun of everyone. The show is like the Anti PC show.

posted 04-04- 07:19 PM               

To accuse Trey Parker and Matt Stone of being "Hollywood" is hilarious. You would be hard-pressed to find anyone more cynical of the Hollywierd crowd than they are.

The entire point of this show is to satirize the American sitcom. It really has little to do with the president, his policies, nor any of the important issues facing America. The point of the show is to make fun of the Hollywood television establishment. Bush is just the vehicle.

posted 04-05- 09:49 AM               

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Originally posted by Jerry:

Unfortunately their actions reflect the politics of 90% of Hollywood. And like it or not, TV and movies are the source of information and attitudes for more and more people, especially the young. When a cultural entity with that much influence exhibits such a strong political bias, be it right or left, it is dangerous.

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Hollywood, leftist? For crying out loud, 90% of Hollywood production, and practically 95% of the popular one within it that may indeed influence the younger generation, is cliche, conservative and politically correct stuff. Why? It's all profit based, so it cannot alienate people who think differently, are not supposed to think at their age due to other people's norms, or simply do not think at all.

If you then look at the films that can actually be called art (exclude 90% of Hollywood production here), well, it's one of the purposes of art to explore fresh and unknown ideas. Conservativism as an approach rarely produces good art. It can produce well crafted art, but not good art. Note the difference. People who do not understand art or are unable to accept it due to their bias then call it 'liberal', 'leftist', or whatever.

posted 04-05- 10:32 AM               

http://www.msnbc.com/news/554576.asp

Sounds interesting but I'm not sure if us canadians will get to see it unless our comedy channel buys it.

posted 04-05- 10:33 PM               

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Originally posted by Smokey:
If the media were
liberal the first thing they would do would
be investigate that phony election we just
had

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Smokey,

I suggest you go here.
http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/ballots/homepage.htm

posted 04-06- 05:16 AM               

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Originally posted by Mirthain:
Sorry Gecko, what you call conservative is what sells. I find the dichotomy rather funny personally, but that is what drives the media. Most of them are left of center and some are wayyyyy out there. Thats not to say there are no conservatives in the industry, but they are few and far between. The whole politically correct thing is not conservative, it is liberal. It is from the push to not offend anyone because everyone is "Special". :::throws up::::
but that is a topic for another thread.. heh
No, the industry is full of liberals.

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Of course, what sells needs to be conservative, only what is generally acceptable can sell in large numbers, and general acceptance is almost the definition of conservativism. However, being creative is in stark contrast with being conservative. Don't you think there exists a reason why the industry is generaly called liberal?

I wouldn't call it that, though, it's a political term applied to a creative vision, and, although the two sometimes are connected, mixing the two can lead to witch hunts. Also, the US definitions of liberalism and conservativisim have connotations that extend far beyond their original meanings. The moment you call the industry liberal for one aspect, you automatically apply all the other political meanings to it as well.

The way I see it, the large portion of Hollywood production is conservative in the original meaning of the word. The moment you apply political stickers of any kind to it, though, the issue becomes very much confusing, considering that the large majority of Hollywood movies have absolutely nothing to do with politics (largely for profit reasons).

-Gecko

posted 04-06- 12:17 PM               

I posted the link to counter Smokey's statement that "if the press were liberal" they would be investigating the election in Florida. This is proof that the press is investigating the election and therefore, according to Smokey, they must be liberal. That they have retained an organization which is affiliated with, as you say, a "bleeding hearts" (read liberal) University is even more proof that the press tends to have a liberal bias.

Another indication of media bias is the fact that four years ago 80% of the press corp covering Washington DC admitted to voting for Clinton vs. the 49% nation wide. Guess where we get our Washington news from? And if you think a reporters own bias doesn't affect his coverage you're very naive.

posted 04-06- 03:58 PM            

I read the link you posted. They specifically
state that they are not doing a recount. They
are not trying to determine who should have
one.

The puropse of their examination is to
create a data base on the condition of the
desputed ballots. This means, were they dimpled, hanging chad, punched clean, etc.
They are doing this so legislatures will have
the information to better our election procedures.