posted 02-03- 08:35 PM               

Subject: Honoring a Traitor

Everyone has or did have a Vietnam veteran in their family. This is for all
the kids born in the 70's that don't remember this, and didn't have to bear
the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brother and sisters had to
bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100
Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of
our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival
School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking
cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to
describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged
away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp
Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col.
still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days
from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From
1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in
the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action." His wife
lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the
cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN
on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little
encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you
grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing
this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took
them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera
stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the
officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died
from the subsequent beatings. Col.Carrigan was almost number four but he
survived, which is the only reason we know about, her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by
the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5
years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in
Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors
deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a
leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near
the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My
normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane
Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I
would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to
tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far
different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted
by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days
on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of
steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo
cane till my arms dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for
a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing
to debate me on TV. She did not answer me. This does not exemplify someone
who should be honored as part of "100 Years Great Women." Lest we
forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose
hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I
have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant
treason, is one of them.

posted 02-03- 09:48 PM               

There is only one thing the woman is good for - and I doubt she is any good AT it.

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posted 02-04- 02:42 PM               

Geez, Jerry... Even though I disagree with you on most issues, I always thought you were above these kinds of disgusting trash-talk comments. To suggest that Fonda is a "darling of the liberal crowd" is the same thing as suggesting that David Duke is a darling of the Conservative crowd. Neither statement is fair or accurate. David Duke is a Conservative, but you don't hear me calling him a darling of the Conservative party.

I know I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but how many times do I have to say it... there are creeps on both sides of the political spectrum. It's really unfair to take the statements and actions of one person and attribute them to an entire group of people.

posted 02-05- 11:11 AM            

I only call Mirth a Nazi

I called you a redneck, remember.

Yes, I'm one of the top kings of trash talk.

To suggest that Jane Fonda is the darling of the liberal crowd is ridiculous. Sorry, not all liberals look up to war protesters. What she did was 100% un-American. The bitch should have been shot years ago.

But, when you think two sided on every issue in such terms as 'liberal' and 'conservative', then this is naturally you deduction of the situation:

Liberals like Jane Fonda. That's sorta how we thought back in the fifties isn't it?

*hums Leave it to Beaver Song*

posted 02-05- 02:22 PM               

The point being that if JT can point out (correctly) that I shouldn't broad-stroke liberals with Jane Fonda then he should also criticize you for broad-stroking Conservatives with Nazi/KKK labels. If he doesn't like what he calls "trash-talk" it cuts both ways.

JT was wrong on one point though. He stated that Jane Fonda is to Liberals what David Duke is to Conservatives...extremists. If the two are comparable, then what group is honoring her with being a Woman of the Century? I don't think it's the RNC. My guess is that it's a pretty main-stream liberal group.

Now, where are the Conservatives honoring David Duke?

posted 02-05- 02:44 PM            

Burkey,

Since we are from different countries and have different cultural backgrounds and upbrings, then you probably didn't evaluate my post as others would have.

If you ask any veteran from this country about Jane Fonda, more than likely they would say the same thing about being shot. This is not to say that if I was in power I would shoot the bitch. It's her first amendment right to speak how she feels. So there is nothing wrong with me saying I think she should be shot.

I'm sorry, but any American that sat on an NVA AAA gun and denounced the country that she is a citizen of...is a traitor. Just because some Americans were accused of atrocities doesn't make it OK for her to disgrace POWs and veterans in my book.

You cannot name any armed conflict in history where atrocities were not commited by both sides. War is never just and fair.

How would you feel if you were a vet or a POW and some bitch that sat on AAA guns that killed your fellow servicemen was mentioned as a 'top 100 people of the century'?

Jerry,

posted 02-05- 03:12 PM               

http://www.urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/weekly/aa110399b.htm

I don't want to in any way excuse her for the damage she did do, but we should at least get the facts straight.

posted 02-05- 03:21 PM               

Duke may not be up for man of the year, but he has a surprisingly large following... probably larger than Fonda's. Generally speaking, his following consists of extremely Conservative Fundamentalist Christians. Most of those people tend to be Republicans.

>Now, where are the Conservatives honoring David Duke?

There are Conservatives who honor him every day. They send him money, they campaign for him, and they work for him. Even so, I would never call him the darling of the Conservative party... and you shouldn't call Fonda the "darling of the Liberal party".

posted 02-05- 03:25 PM               

On Duke's site, there was a page devoted to Charlton Heston. I was outraged when I saw this because Heston is one of the few Conservatives who I think is cool... probably because I'm a huge fan of the Planet of the Apes movies :-)

Anyway, a long time ago, I emailed the NRA about this and they said that Heston knows that he is featured on one of Duke's pages and is very displeased by this. They also said that unfortunately there is nothing they can do about it. :-(

Anyway, don't know why I brought this up, but, oh well... hope somebody finds it interesting.

posted 02-05- 03:33 PM               

http://www.davidduke.org

posted 02-05- 03:52 PM               

Thank you, Louisiana!

Article about this here... http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/keyraces99/stories/duke050199.htm

posted 02-05- 07:23 PM            

No problem. Different cultures, different ways of expressing ideas.

"Don't bother baiting Dan, he just rambles on and Lies some more... not worth it."

Mirth, I try to be civil and there you go starting shit. You are such an anal prick. Get back to work

"Most of the liberal's here are moderate"

A moderate liberal? WTF? LOL

posted 02-06- 06:29 AM            

Once again you've succeeded in turning a thread into a flame war.

"you are not firmly in the party line, but do have more liberal views than a true moderate does."

Please explain this with facts...not bullshit speculation. You've aroused my interest.

posted 02-06- 01:01 PM               

Sheesh...

posted 02-06- 01:48 PM            

If believing workers have rights, as the law
says, and that companies are mostly crooked
and should be held accountable when they
break the law.

If believing the republican party is the
party of the wealthy and corporations.

If believing that Bush Jr. stole the White
House with the help of his buddys on the
supreme court.

If believing that Greenspan tried to upset
the economy to make the democrats look bad
for the election.

If believing all of these things makes you a
communist then I must be one.

posted 02-06- 06:09 PM               

I don't get why this is such a big deal to you dan.... I was making a point about how the more hardcore liberals then the guys here just adore and swoon over everything that Miss Fonda does. I was actually complementing them on thier individualistic ways as opposed to being just another yea-sayer for the party.... You make is sound like I insulted them, and I wasn't.
Happy now?
I noticed that you didn't argue with the fact that you started the flaming here, or the fact that you have been lying.
Although Smokey, I gotta say, Your reaction to Greenspan is very paranoid. There is no fact to base this against. Of course, the democrats have been saying that holding the economy back was the good and prudent thing to do during the campaign... so what is wrong with it now? Why is it now a republican plot? Just seems kind of 2 sided you know?