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wakeup tailgunner Pilot	posted 01-12- 04:55 AM Oh yes, we all read them on those lovely shiny boxes, part with our hard earned cash to buy the game, AND IT RUNS LIKE SHIT! We check the recommended spec...still O.K. Only if you turn all the bloody detail to minimum! Oh yes..... Do these people actually PLAY the games, do they play them on the machines they say you can? Or are they more interested in selling lots of units to the 'average pc' owner without giving a damn! p.s. If anyone is interested, I am looking for heavily armed individuals to assist in re-educating any software house found guilty of this heinous crime! Minimum spec. club with spikes nailed through, recommended spec. fully automatic assault rifle with grenade launcher... p.p.s. This Englishman ain't so damn perky.... [This message has been edited by wakeup tailgunner (edited 01-12-2001).] IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 01-12- 11:56 AM Recommended Spec should allow all features at max and still maintain a good frame rate without stutter. Minimum spec should maintain good frame rate without stutter with all optional features at minumum or off - that's what "minimum" means...the lowest. Recommended should mean "to get your money's worth you need this". You will probably end up with a range on the box of 300-1000 mhz but that's the reality of today's games. If your system falls in between then you will know before you get home that you won't be able to max everything out. IP: Logged
wakeup tailgunner Pilot	posted 01-12- 02:20 PM Check out the miniumum spec on some current releases...... IP: Logged
Mighty General	posted 01-12- 06:59 PM Minimum spec is usually a battle between the developers and the marketing people in the publisher's organization. The developers usually say, "Here's the minimum we think we can hit." Marketing comes back with, "No! That'll cut out too much of the market! Our research says you don't need to support 486's, anymore. But our research also tells us there's still a lot of P90's out there. Tell you what. We'll cut you some slack. You don't have to support anything below a P120." That's slightly exaggerated, but it really is the gist of the conversations. Usually the developer has to fight like hell to get the minimum anywhere close to realistic. And they have to predict what the minimum will be months before they've even started optimizing. IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 01-12- 10:11 PM What were you telling me about honest companies, Jerry? IP: Logged
wakeup tailgunner Pilot	posted 01-13- 10:08 AM Thanks Mighty.... we now have our targets Gentlemen.. Alpha squad...take out the Ad-men, Delta squad, seek out and destroy any magazine hacks guilty of hiding the truth.... On a serious Flamey note, though, How many people have been seriously pissed off by the recent crop of combat flight sims. Each has been 'conservative' with the truth when it comes to minimum spec, and as a result, have filled forums everywhere with vast quantites of vitriol. If they said you need one BIG machine to play this, they would lose sales. So, instead, they fudge the issues, and lose future simmers! IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 01-15- 09:06 PM What I said, Smokey, was that the majority of companies are honest. You said they were all dishonest. I stand by what I said. IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 01-15- 09:49 PM I am very happy to be able to play games that run like shit on system with no 3d accellerator card. Screw the guys with crappy systems - let them eat cake! Who runs SDOE in software mode? What a hell of allot of work must of went into that- and that effort could have been spent giving us moving ground vehicles. BTW, SDOE runs GREAT in software mode, very impressive! All companies are evil; boycot all products! IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 01-15- 09:50 PM Hey Smokey, I like you. But I am matter, and you are anti-matter. We better never meet or the universe might explode IP: Logged
Mighty General	posted 01-16- 04:26 AM Software is mainly for Europe. Even this year, we had to include software rendering for R/C Sim. Since Europe is often 50% of game sales it's an important market to address. Oh, and you may find most of the European fliers on this board use hardware rendering, but they're heavy-duty power users by average European PC user standards. [This message has been edited by Mighty (edited 01-16-2001).] IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 01-16- 07:55 AM Thanks for the info Mighty - very interesting! What is this doing in flame wars? IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 01-16- 01:19 PM Sv and Jerry, The difference is, you guys think if a company stretches the truth in advertising their product it's just fair play in the business world. I think it makes them a bunch of liars and dishonest cockroaches. In other words, crooks. And they say the republicans have the high moral Standards . IP: Logged
Gustang Pilot	posted 01-16- 02:37 PM Interesting stuff, Mighty. Tnx. Sv, :flame on: KISS MY HAIRY ASS YOU DRIBBLING MONKEY!! :flame off: There... IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 01-16- 04:02 PM Smokey, is there another Jerry posting here that you are reading? Where did I say that companies can "stretch the truth" in advertising? If you read the second post in this thread I defined what IMO should be the definitions of "recommended" and "minimum" requirements. If those were the official defintions and a software publisher didn't ahere to them then they would be dishonest. The problem is that there are no "official definitions" of recommended and minimum. If you buy a car that is advertised as having a "smooth" ride and in you opinion it doesn't, is the manufacturer a crook? Or is their definition of smooth just different from yours? Having a different opinion than you doesn't make a company dishonest. Of course, you believe from the get-go that all companies are dishonest so to you I guess having a different opinion just reinforces your bias. It's amazing how twisted a mind can get after 30 years of Union propaganda. I feel sorry for you. IP: Logged
Mirthain Pilot	posted 01-16- 07:10 PM Smokey, I really have to say this here, since it is flame wars and all.. but.... MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, I bet the union paid your salary too eh? No, the company did... BTW, hold your hat here.... Parsoft is a... ::::Drum roll please:::: COMPANY!!!!!!!! Oh dear god. Not that, we had best stop them before they get to the children. Oh no, guess what else I just realized... the computer parts in your machine are... Oh god, can it be?.... built by a COMPANY!!!!!!!!! Your own stupidity is showing here, and the result of years of indoctrination are showing through here. Without companies we don't have a GNP. Without a GNP you don't get squat but a government that will roll a tank over your ass. Pay? WTF is that without somone to do the manufacturing? Your socialist bullshit is pathetic and has no basis in reality. Some companies are bad, some are good. Most companies are doing what they can to keep good employees so they are capable of producing quality merchandise. Perhaps if the unions weren't screwing them so much, they would go out of thier way to treat you well.. but that won't happen with the facist leeches attached to them. Go ahead, tell us that comapanies are bad and evil will bring about the destruction of the world.... then I will remind you that your check you recieve is from the company you worked for, not the union..... try living without it dipshit. I just hate stupid people. BTW, I understand how that works Mighty. Bringing in an entity to do public relations when they don't really have a clue what the product is can be a bear...... I am just happy that you guys have stuck with us and continue to do so. IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 01-16- 07:23 PM It's amazing how a few words can set you guys off. And you call liberals knee-jerks. Just for the record I didn't say we didn't need companys. I said that I thought stretching the truth in advertising was dishonest. Just for your information I do think most companys do this. I believe in the capatalist system. I just think the big boys ought to have to obey the law. I don't think that they do. I could cite a lot of examples such as Ford, Firestone/Brigstone (tire scandle), General Motors (Engine scandle), Tobacco companies (Advertising scandle), John Mansville (asbestos scandle) you can go on and on. I just heard on the news tonight that the utility companys in Cal. may be manufacturing the power shortage in order to increase profits. If you guys don't mind these guys screwing you all the time, fine. I would question who is the moron though. IP: Logged
Gustang Pilot	posted 01-16- 08:32 PM Whoops! Sorry Sv, I should've known the thread didn't need any help... IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 01-16- 10:19 PM LoL Gus! Like men, not all companies are good - and not all are evil... you sure like to toss the first stone Smokey, I hope you are without sin... I am sure many companies have lied and done bad things, but many have been accused of terrible things when they only meant well. It seems like they are OK in your book unless anyhting they did could, at a later time, be considered a bad thing. I don't hate the bood-letters, they meant well! If you hate the blood-letters now then you condemm all men of today today, because what we do today may very well be considered the highest evil of tomarrow. Should all progress stop? Should everyone trying hard to make a better future give up? Are the myrters who created X-rays just stupid idiots for tampering in God's domain? Your way of thinking will never take over- positive energy destroys negative cynical energy- history is proof of this. The positive and optimistic has truth on its side. While the cynics cast doubt on the dignity of man, the great men move forward- but there is the cynic in all of us. But some see him as a barrier to greatness, and others see him as a constant warning sign cautioning man not to accept himself as dignified. Where there is good in us, it brightens the shadows, the darkness can not dim the light! IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 01-17- 12:34 PM Sv, Sorry bud, I think you've lost it. IP: Logged
Mighty General	posted 01-18- 02:24 AM Swerving off-topic, according to Jerry Pournelle, the power shortage in California was caused by silly regulations. I don't know the details, but basically the state made it impossible for the power companies to put their profits into building new plants. There was no incentive to build any excess capacity. Once you need more power than can be provided the entire system breaks down. IP: Logged
Mirthain Pilot	posted 01-21- 04:47 PM Smokey, You get what you ask for.... California has been dealing with this problem for a long time. It has nothing to do with silicon valley or anything like that... There is just not enough local energy to support all the people living there. Brownouts are a way of life there. There has also been a water problem for years in Southern California, and they just steal water from all over to get it. California is one of the worst places in regards to having any kind of thought put into thier infrastructure... it is all reactionary, not visionary. Perhaps California will start to think more about how to better accomodate all the people living there, but I doubt it. They never did the 30 years I lived there..... why start now? ;} ------------------ Mirthain=FC= IP: Logged

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