posted 12-14- 06:01 AM               

That was a long and bumpy road that at times seemed it would never end.

posted 12-14- 09:37 AM               

Also, Gore's concession speach was outstanding - his best speach of the campaign, he should have conceeded during the first debate! ...KIDDING!!!!

Really, I admit that I was impressed with the quality of what he said. He did make up for allot of damage I feel he (and GW if you feel that way) might have caused... to chalk it up to "a good spirited fight" was the exact thing to do - and made me feel much better about the process, I love a good comptitive fight - even if on the dirty side - so long as when it's over, it's over. Gore conveyed that very well and gave me much more respect for him.

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WWI in SDOE!

posted 12-14- 01:55 PM            

"I hope the US Supreme Court finds for Gore, that is our last hope - I can no longer support Bush's cause."

Then he says,

"Yes, my guy finaly won!!! "

hmmm.....

posted 12-14- 02:26 PM               

You are right and I forgot to mention that. Gore's speech was just incredible. Did you see Chris Mathews on MSNBC last night? He was so shocked by how great it was he was breathless. Pretty funny to watch

posted 12-14- 06:20 PM            

VP Al Gore, in his book EARTH IN BALANCE, p. 342

weasel

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posted 12-14- 07:08 PM               

Wow, I hadn't heard that before. Being a Christian myself I've been raised with the Bible and am a firm believer in it and God, and the Lord. I'm shocked at his statement. I'm glad I was with the right man all along. It's my guess that Gore, along with all the other unbelievers will be in a state of shock when those Christians who are near him (not only as friends, but physically) when they all vanish in the Rapture (Christ's 2nd coming). In fact I just saw a great movie about this that is coming to the big screen this coming February.

Left Behind: The Movie, starring Kirk Cameron and his wife Chelsea Noble. It's in stores now I believe. They have a big crusade going now to get the word out to have everyone see this movie, so they won't be left behind.

I'm not at all ashamed at my beliefs, and I knew at some point I'd have to make this kind of post on the internet. Now is the time.

If you haven't already, ask the Lord to come into your life.

It's my belief (as a Christian) that Jesus Christ died for our sins (all of humanity) and was raised from the dead 3 days later, to now be born again. He asks us to cast our sins upon him, and ask his forgiveness, and he will grant us this forgiveness, no questions asked. By believing this basic premise, you are then "saved" and when Christ comes back (no man knows the exact time or place), the dead in Christ (already dead Christians) shall rise first, followed by the living Christians (which will be a first for humanity, to go from living straight to heaven without having experienced death as most know it). To be gathered up in the clouds with the Lord Jesus, forever. Imagine, living with the Lord in Heaven for all eternity, a place that our minds right now can't even BEGIN to imagine. A place where there will be no pain, no sadness, no suffering. Only joy and happiness will abound. I myself can't wait to get there, but in the meantime will do my best to make my life for me and my family the best life we can have. What all this gives you is Hope. And Hope is a wonderful thing. I'd hate to live without knowing all that I know, and wondering if I'd truly be dead forever after I died. That's a very sad thought, yet many live with that.

If you are not saved and would like Jesus to enter your heart and guide your life, say the following prayer, and mean it sincerely, from your heart.

Dear Lord,

I am a sinner. I ask for your forgiveness, for all the wrongs that I have done in my life. I believe in my heart that you died for me and my sins, and rose from the dead. And you are now in heaven where you'll live for all eternity. Thank you for your faith in me and your loving kindness. I ask that you now guide my life, opening the right doors for me and closing the wrong ones, and that I may walk with you for now and forever, in the light.

Thank you Lord,
Amen.

To all the non-christians among you, I hope this post will light a curiosity in you. And I would like to add this. People such as celebrities often find themselves with huge bank accounts, beautiful homes and cars and these kinds of things, yet are extremely unhappy. The average person thinks "How can this be?" They have everything! Well, when one has there life full of so much "stuff" they also feel an emptiness, a "hole" in there life and heart, like something is missing. So they spend their life searching for it (like when the Beatles went to India, searching to fill the void and didn't find it).

Well what's missing is Jesus! To have his love and guidance (from my personal experiences in life) you feel as though a huge weight has been lifted and that you can "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding." And the problems you pray for can be totally given to the Lord and you are then free to move onto other things, knowing that he's working out your problems for you "behind the scenes." I've been through some horrible points in my life and surely without Jesus' help, I wouldn't be here right now. I know that for a fact. I've had 5 near death experiences (not where I was lying on a hospital bed after surgury and floated above myself, not that kind) but where I've almost been killed by lightning (twice), crashing in airplanes (several close calls), and have lived through a horrible car crash without a scratch, just horrible whiplash.

Well, that's enough preaching and I hope most of you won't be put off by this post. But undoubtedly some of you will, because Satan (the Devil) hates it when his followers are being swayed to "the other side". And let me tell you, if you aren't FOR God (and the Lord Jesus), you can ONLY be for the other team, Satan, whether you want to believe it or not. It's the truth.

I hope my post will have changed some hearts around here, and I haven't done this to offend anyone, only to help in the best way that I (or anyone) can. Saving a soul for all eternity.

Pete
Christian for 28 years.

btw, Merry Christmas (a bit early) everyone

posted 12-14- 07:31 PM            

I've been tuning in and out of this one, but the above quote says a lot about Gore's character as a politician in light of some of the campaign choices he made.

By the way, if you guys down south are sick of BOTH of those two, feel free to borrow, no, no take Jean Chretien for as looooong as you want. Hell, he might actually be more productive since he'll be closer to the Canadian Senate (read: resorts in Florida and Mexico).

Werner

posted 12-14- 09:44 PM               

I admit that I am a former Christian, not a great Christian like my father-in-law was, but few could claim that anyway

As strong as I believe in my new non-Christian views, I have a great respect for good Christians - not only because they are my great heritage, but also because I leave behind a large benefit of the doubt for them - I do not deny any of their beliefs nor do I deny that I may be called to task for my own beliefs.

Every good Christian I have ever met has been a great person giving the highest dignity to humanity. Also every good Christian I have met has not been ashamed of his religion - and more importantly, they have not been open to other religions. The politically correct should have no place in religion, to have faith means to exclude other religious beliefs - who can one be a true Christian and yet maintain that other religious believers are on the right path?

Well I'm sure my post has put off more people than your post

Merry Christmas Pete

posted 12-14- 11:27 PM               

quote:

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Well, that's enough preaching and I hope most of you won't be put off by this post. But undoubtedly some of you will, because Satan (the Devil) hates it when his followers are being swayed to "the other side".

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I agree with SV that if you are a true believer, you shouldnt be so apt to accept other religious beliefs. However, the mere fact that there are so many religions whose righteousness cant be validated other than through faith leads me to believe that none of them are 'correct.'

I myself dont belong to a religion. While I hold out that there may be some grand creator of the universe, I see no evidence of the creator affecting Earth whenever he sees fit. I place my faith in what I can sense, and what can be proven through science and mathematics.

I accept that you are more comfortable in believing that there is a grand design to life. Please accept my views that there is not.

posted 12-14- 11:55 PM               

Yes, I was grinning with sarcasm as I said it. Although I am not glad to see another Bush in office, I am glad to see that American Democracy kept us from rioting or the military/police taking over.

As for Pete's statement.
Very well stated post Pete. I agree with you wholeheartedly, I can tell we are from different denominations, but we share the same core beliefs. My respect for you grows every time I read a post by you it seems.

SV-
One of the men whose mind I admired most held similar thoughts as you did. He grew up a very fervent Christian, and then in High School questioned all he believed in. A practice I personally condone, as I believe in questioning your beliefs you make them stronger. In his case he decided it was all folly. That it was more another mythos than a believable concept.

He and I had a great deal of respect for each other because we both liked to study and understand other religions. The difference was that I always stayed in my beliefs.

I guess what I'm saying is that a fervent belief in the Judeo-Christian God does not preclude tolerance or acceptance that there might be other paths to that God or virtues in other religious thoughts. True, what I am saying would be called heresy in many faiths, but I do not follow a strict doctrine like that. But then again, maybe I just proved your point, that although I consider myself a Christian, others may not.

In the end, I guess we'll both be called to task for our beliefs. Or, if your right, I guess we'll never know.

posted 12-15- 12:03 AM               

Funny thing was, he never corrected himself.

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thunk-thunk-thunk-zing-OUCH
That answered my question

posted 12-15- 12:42 AM               

Er, on second thought, would you kindly shut the !@#$ up? I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course.

You don't think we hear enough of this "holier than thou" bullshit as it is?
My father is a preacher. Think I haven't heard it? Think again.

For once, think for yourself.
Then again, maybe that's not such a good idea either. Force yourself not to be critical. Try not to look at the "big picture," seeing the world from a global and historical viewpoint.

Just hand in your contribution and don't ask any questions. Do as you're told, and believe what I tell you. Any questions will be explained-away with crafty psuedo-logic and an occasional bible verse. Exercise caution when picking those bible verses. Some of it doesn't seem very "Christian," y'know.

Must be great to have that (false) sense of security. "I'm right, and everyone who believes differently shall perish." Your "patent" Christian values only go so far. Caring for others and holding life sacred only comes into play when it comes to those who believe the way you do.
You could give less than a shit for the "heathens," those poor unsaved souls,
only that they be "saved," brainwashed to think like yourself.

Bullets aren't particular. Cancer doesn't choose sides. Nuclear warheads, natural disasters, disease- none of them make any distinction between your holiness and myself.
You die, just like the rest. Only difference is, you go through life thinking there's more. This is it.

Wonder what the Egyptian afterlife is like now? I'm sure the ancient Pharoahs are having a wonderful time. Whaddya think, Sv?
Remember, "Only those who die a brave and glorious death, will ever see the Gates of Valhalla!"

I can manage a laugh, but I have to admit, people like you seriously scare me.

If the religious wackos hadn't been hoarding weapons and ammo all this time, I'd have a lot less catching up to do.

JIHAD!

(Sorry, had to rant)
<--Falls off his soapbox

P.S. In no way do I endorse ALGORE
...spineless environmentalist liberal twat

P.P.S. HAIL SATAN, PRAISE SATAN, YEAH SATAN, I LOVE SATAN, HOORAY FOR SATAN
S!-A!-T!-A!-N! SATAN, HE'S OUR MAN!
(That ought to make Pete happy... who's this Satan guy anyway?)

P.P.P.S. My browser crashed just before I submitted this. Divine intervention? I think so. Damn you, Gates!

Hmmm... Gates, Satan... any connection?

posted 12-15- 01:10 AM               

To be honest I have great respect for those who actually practice what they preach.
However, I've never actually met any.

And Jerry, I think I'd make a pretty good neighbor. I'm pretty quiet most of the time, reserved and shy except for the occasional killing
Plus, we could set up a network between our houses and play SDOE

In fact I'm sure I would get along with Pete, Sv or DanW (the asshole prick ) as a neighbor, unless the subject of religion came up.

posted 12-15- 01:30 AM               

My mother isn't an actual preacher, but she is very religious and at a time when we were much younger we were leary to bring anyone into our house to play, due to her very strong convictions. It was as if she would just ramrod her thoughts down anyones throat who walked in through our front door. Now, after all this time she's realized how she is and has toned WAY down.

My faith has given me a lot of peace and if some of you want to call it a false sense of security, that's fine by me. Call it what you want, but for me and my family it has worked very well at keeping a normal and happy household. So go with what works for you.

I really didn't mean to preach, but I figured at some point in "knowing" all you SDOE types that I wanted to state my beliefs and get a feel for where everyone else stood. If you've heard it 1000 times (or more) before, like Reaperman, then just disregard my post. I was hoping to reach some younger ears, or those who had never heard any of this before.

Believe me I won't be preaching anymore here. It's a one time deal and hopefully my words will help someone. I knew there would be some that would tell me to take a hike, so that's not surprising. I'm not against anyone who's not a believer. I just want to help guide them if they come to a time in their lives when they decide they want to know Jesus. Also I'm not a holy roller by any means, it's just that the post I replied to hit me in such a way I felt compelled to make this post. I am for what it's worth, a struggling Christian just like every one else.

posted 12-15- 03:13 AM               

"I'm glad Bush is in. I think it is a great victory for America. Check out this excerpt from one of Algores books:
"Refusing to accept the earth as our sacred mother, these Christians have
become a dangerous threat to the survival of humanity. They are the blight
on the environment and to believe in Bible prophecy is unforgivable."
VP Al Gore, in his book EARTH IN BALANCE, p. 342

weasel"

Guess what... there is no such quote in Earth in the Balance. Al Gore never wrote or said anything like that. That quote was a fabrication bandied about on the internet.

Weasel... as someone who has, on this message board, accused Al Gore of being a liar, you should be ashamed.

posted 12-15- 03:25 AM               

And Jerry, you know I have some pretty strong opinions. I have every right to state my views just as Pete has stated his.
It's known as freedom of speech.

This is a public forum where we are allowed to express our views.

Also, seems to me there must be a huge place for religious bigotry in this world being as it's so prevalent.

As for my father, I love the man and respect him to a degree, but we do have our differences. But you're right, I'm a young whippersnapper and full of piss and vinegar.
(Actually it's more a mixture, of blood, sweat, piss and alcohol.)

Now, you can take this to Flame Wars, but I've said my piece and I'm through.

Pete, nuthin' but love for ya man!
Well put. Whatever works for you, to each his own and all that. You felt the need to preach and I felt the need to rant afterwords. Did you expect any less? I just hope you don't poison any young minds (hehe, kidding... sorta)

Yep I still love ya man, that's what my religi... oh wait, nevermind

JT, you mean all this was spurred on by a LIE? Figures.
Now where's my medication?...

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posted 12-15- 05:17 AM            

Hehe... I myself am not a practicing Chrisitian. I was baptised as a Lutheran but growing up in the military and traveling the world my parents always encouraged me to learn whatever I could. One of the things I learned was that there is too much similarity between pretty much every religion on the planet for me to say with any certainty that any one is better than another... therefore I am agnostic. I most certainly do believe that there is power in the universe far geater than man but I don't feel comfortable saying that any one interpretation of that power is more correct than another (is it merely physics or a god?? Beats me!).

That being said, I do bascially live my life by a Christian standard... but I also realize that many of those same standards exist in the Muslim faith, Bhuddism, etc... I do know that there is no "hole" in my life. I wake up every morning and can honestly look myself in the mirror and see a 'good' man there. I'm no saint mind you... but I feel that I do much more good in this world than harm. My conscience is healthy and peacful and my life fulfilled. And that is enough for me.

posted 12-15- 09:21 AM            

Please try to keep it civil as this is a very, very delicate subject.

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posted 12-15- 09:48 AM               

Religion brings out the best in man, but where there are religious differences that confront each other, a most amazing thing happens - and though the masses decry the horrors of war, only in war can one glimpse the true meaning of man, what man is all about - his ideals, beliefs - his spirit.

My wife used to mock me over the fact that I was willing to die for certain beliefs that I had - but after this election she told me something: that she had contemplated what she would do if mod rule was imposed on us - if people in the street decided what was "fair" or not. I think she was upset going to bed watching Jesse Jackson on TV, that could scare the shit out of any American Now she truly knows that there are certain things she would put her life on the line for - even though she still remains unsure about weather that is right or wrong.

A broken man in a broken world has no life anyway... to give into all that insults you and to live like an animal - that is no victory.

I will tell you the moment that I stopped being a Christian - it was not just this one realization, but a path - and this was the defining moment.

I sat in church and listened again - as so many times before - of how humans were evil and how Jesus gave his life for us - oh how divine! And I thought, as so often I do, of how proud and great man is - how alone - how challenged, to know our own fate, to have to accept the unacceptable. Then I thought of men who fought with their lives, and especially of WW2. There are many who give credit to those who die, but the credit is ours!!! Men did this, and we are men today - they showed us, as so many, many men have throughout humanity - they showed what we are made of, and it is divine stuff!

And so each of us sacrifices our life as Jesus did, for each of us is a son of God, and each of us must die - and each of us saves humanity! Lookout Nietzsche!

posted 12-15- 12:43 PM               

Yes Dan, but I don't think it will be much of a problem, as most people don't walk around with magnifying glasses in front of their faces.

posted 12-15- 07:48 PM               

Oh gosh dont get me started about religion...

IMO religion is "evil". Just look what religion has done to humanity. (war, hate, more war, more hate) You all do realize that if some dude that called himself Jesus popped up in todays society, hed be locked away in the funny house dont you? Religion has caused more war, death, destruction and sorrow than any one thing on this planet since the begining of humanity. One can have ethics and morals without religion. Sometimes religion pisses me off. I just want to ask sometimes why most of the world is poisioned by it? We had a religios disscussion in Ecenomics one day and everyone said what religion they were by show of hands. LoL I was the only one in class without any religious beliefs and oh man was I attacked... Well I defended my views well and respectfully. I just dont see the point of some religions..... Like "You must starve yourself for so many days so God will accept you" or "Dancing or drinking coke is evil" It beats the hell outta me why not drinking coke or dancing would bring me closer to God... Oh and there are soooo many discrepancys in the Bible... Like this one: Adam and Eve had sex and had two sons... They were supposedly the only people on the Earth. Well Cain murdered Abel and was vanished and married some woman that popped out of no wheres and had kids. THAT is a bunch of B.S. Whered that woman come from? And Id suppoed some "Bible beater" is going to say "They were the only people on the face of the Earth in Gods eyes" Well that is a bunch of B.S. too! Then that means some of us could be related to apes eh? Also, I hate that saying "If God wanted man to fly, he would of given us wings." Well I counter that by saying if he didnt want us to fly, he wouldnt of givin us an imagination... LoL you all can have religion. Ill take my own life in my hands and not leave it up to some guy(s) to forgive me and show me the way. Oh and I dont believe in Satan either. In fact I think its (the Bible) all just a classic Good vs Evil story. I dont believe in hell, heaven or any other place as such. If I were on Satans side Id know it. Wouldnt you think hed want me to know it? Therefore in my eyes Im not going to go to hell... cause I dont believe in it! And Im not going to heaven either... cause I dont believe in it too! Im just going to die. Rot in the ground and be forgotten sooner or later like all others before me. You may ask "Well whats the point in that?" Simple, to reproduce and keep the human race going like all other living things on the planet. Why is that hard for so many people to grasp? True I may live a long happy life and enjoy it... but in the end Im just going to die and that is that. And frankly I want it that away. No living in heaven where I can look down at all the stupid alive people. That would make me feel just terrible. Kinda like "Well what was the point of those 90 something years when I could of just died at child birth and came up here and be happy ever after"

Well Ive done enough religious ranting for tonight...

P.S. I dont need help Pete. So please dont try to save me...

posted 12-15- 11:02 PM               

Jesus could we ever get one going with this.

I'll just say I don't belive in Jesus or God, But I do belive in an after life, or maybe its more of a hope.

I do belive religion is evil.

I have never met a GOOD christian except my grandparents on my mothers side.

I've met tons of them just not good ones.

There is TONS of historical reference to so called christians not giving a frick about anything but themselves.

I truly belive that everyone should respect everyone elses choice in religion but at the same time that means don't try to save me or tell me that mine is wrong (none in this case).

Unfortunatly even though you are supposed to be able to pratice whatever religion you want in the US, its polices and politics revolve around them at times.