posted 12-04- 10:11 AM               

I swear if I hear this whine one more flipp'n time I've gone go postal!

People ... "technology does not stand still."

PC gaming is like any other high-maintenance hobby... If you are unwilling or unable to "keep up with technology".... find another hobby and quite bitching because all the new software runs like shit on you system!

If you expect developers to code for systems that are years old... get a grip with reality.

"Upgrading" is the price one pays to ensure they get the most from their hobby... Sure, you can turn down the options and even accept "less-than-stellar" frame-rates ... but is that truly "enjoying" it?

In a nutshell... "don't bitch and condemn software because you P.O.S. PC that's whoafully outdated cannot run the latest software wit all the bells and whistles (or at all)... It's not the software... It's your PC.

posted 12-04- 11:24 AM               

Then your bitching at the wrong person.

B172 and BOB demo don't just run like crap on my system. They don't run AT ALL.

I don't expect glass performance. I just wanted to check out the features. I fully expected a horrible frame rate.

Fact is b17 drops to desktop before even getting to a start screen.

Bob demo does the same with an added Illegal op.

THAT my friend is bad coding.

I do have one thing to mention. Pc game makers should be carefull to at least strive for "decent" (maybe 640-480 and medium to low settings) performance for the common PC of the day.

and no p3 700s isnt' the common PC yet.

posted 12-04- 11:50 AM               

LOL! No, you were not the target of my rant but I guess you'll do in a pinch!

I have to say after doing a search regarding your system specs... I'm suprised anything runs on it at all!

I haven't recieved B17-II yet (even though my name proliferates the missions).. So I cannot first-hand comment on it's coding... However, I've tried the BoB demo... and I can confidently say it's yur PC. ( No loss, its not worth worring over)

OK, maybe not your "PC" per say... but a driver.. tweak... ini setting... "something" is the gremlin in your PC does not like what your trying to do to/with it ...

Fact is... newer code is not unlike a newborn child... it's very sensitive to their surroundings. It does not like beta drivers... it does not like over-clocked CPUs or vid-cards ... (new code, not a baby)

It's "your PC" not the software mate... I stake my reputation on it.

posted 12-04- 11:41 PM               

Hmm every other peice of software I run on this machine runs fine.

Hitman runs a little slow but I can see that cause of my specs.

Bob fails and in the details it says that BOB.EXE commited an illegal operation.

Yep right in bob.exe not in a driver dll or nothing like some people have been having problems with.

B17 just crashes back to desktop without even trying to run.

Both games also didn't run with a geforce2mx card installed.

I can't overclock on my motherboard cause it only lets you set the chip speed not any bus or multipliers.

I didn't overclock my banshee nor the geforce.

And of course I downloaded the newest drivers for the geforce as soon as it was in the machine.

I run the reference drivers for the banshee.

I gotta say whats the problem here guys? What am i doing wrong in the set up of my machine?

Oh yeah I have the swap file set at 510 megs just for kicks and another 800 megs free on the hard drive.

What would have to happen for you guys to blame anything on the code.

I mean really the damage issue online in SDOE is a problem with your computer, I can kill guys no problem with mine.

So after I upgrade to a new P3 or duron chip with a fresh install of Win98 and all up to date drivers what will you guys say if both games still don't run?

posted 12-05- 12:36 AM               

Seriously tho... I ran the first BoB demo fine. All I had to do was change the desktop to another color bit size and the res aswell. Now as for B-17II.... I admit there is something wrong with the code there. There are WAY too many errors for it to be just "user" errors. BUT hopefully it will be patched before its sold in the States.

posted 12-05- 01:04 AM               

What would I constitute as a definative fault in coding?

"no one could run it..."

GPFs and exception errors and illegal operatons, generally mean the program memory foot-print is stepping on or being stepped on by "something else"... your example of the bob.exe further defines it as a memory error.

This at it's simplist fault could be a memory address occupied by a program.. driver.. etc. At worst, you have a shitty or non-conformist peice of memory.

"Why would Bob and B17-II fail to run when virtually everything else does?"... Simple. Your only "now" being introduced to software that taxes your system to the extent it pukes. (In hindsight, I'm betting it's your memory at this point)..

posted 12-05- 01:10 AM               

K zur, I buy a fully tricked out system from say micron.

It uses all industry standard parts and all the drivers are up to spec.

It uses high quality drivers.

nothing is tweaked nothing is overclocked.

Its factory fresh except for updated drivers. Updated buy a driver installation specialist.

The games still don't run, is it still my comptuers fault?

Really man if it runs for no one?

Thats insane. your saying any amount except 100% is totally not coding?

quick response guys

Oh yeah your saying that all the games i have run havn't taxed my system? Its a freaking p2 333 with a banshee.

ALot of games tax my system to the max.

And why would bob and b172 tax my system to the max just trying to show a splash screen or menu?

That alone would prove that the game is at fault.

posted 12-05- 07:56 AM            

I don't know what your problem is. I run a p3 700 and an old GeForce, and it works fine for me. So it's not bad coding.

posted 12-05- 10:35 AM               

I'm not saying there "isn't" any errant code in either game...

What I'm saying is that "Possibly the "errant" code is not behaving with your possibly suspect memory configuration."

B17-II and Bob "may" be tasking your memory to an extent that no previous software has... Ya know there are more than one way to tax a system?

RE: The tweaked Micron...

Well, that's a trick question to answer... Simply because despite what appears to be standard-compliant components... When assembled make for a less than complimentary system.

So to answer your question... "they should run", but there is no gaurentee.

Do me a favor... pluck one of your memory cards and try running B17-II or BoB. (even if this is less than the min. req... I just want to see if it runs)... If that card doesn't work stick it back in and remove the other one.

I bet'ya one or the other trial will run (albeit not well, but "run")