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Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-14- 03:50 PM Spanky here... K we drifted on the last one. We need a patch FREAKING BAD. people are coming for the WW1 and cause of the advertising Mad Dog and PR did and although they might like it at first once they see all the bugs they might start leaving. REally MH whats the deal. Can't you just talk to the lawyers for 1/2 and hour and the owners and just ask them point blank. Is this going to go or what? Can they not give you that answer for some reason? If they say yes but it will take some time then cool. I can live with that. BUT i can't see why its so hard to get that yes or not answer so we can get on with living with this sim as is or waiting for a patch or I suspect in some cases people leaving. Not a threat in any way just a fact. Some people might be pissed if its not going to happen, But that doesn't mean they don't need to know. Come ON we have be fully supporting this sim more then the company that made it. Some people have put a ton of work into it. All we want is a patch that fixes like 5 thigs or somthing. What comes to my mind is this #1. Damage bug (as in some damage packets being lost or not send or whatever) #2. CTD bug #3. Bomb bug #4. Ground unit bug #5. Mission send bug And maybe for some people a new TINY feature #6. Host controls padlock on/off Thats really all I can think of and I thought that all of these except #s 1 and 6 had been fixed but just not released in a non debug patch. We would diffenatly except a patch that only did 2-5 but I really think the damage bug is what holds some of the hard core guys back. We are doing our part. Would inertia please try to set aside a day or 2 to do theres? Another small idea. I was thinking, Why not hire someone from the community. REally cheap on a contract basis. REALLY cheap like pretty much volenteer. To work on said patch and just get them to sign the NDA that all employees working there sign? would that not be toally fine with all partys involved? Could you not maybe even do that for a couple people to get SOS going? they woudn't show any code to anyone and legally they would be an employee of inertia so it should all be cool right? BTW this was originally in flame wars but its not really a flame and no one said anything so I reposted. SUE ME. ALso I had 6 CDT last night and around 4-6 today. Can you say PISSSED. IP: Logged
Michael Harrison General	posted 05-15- 02:02 PM Spanky, you've already had a straight answer (which was a reply to Kopper's original post). If I had anything new to tell you, you'd have heard it. SOS is being handled by Inertia's owner (Ron) and there is a possibility that another group may have access to the source to continue the patch while I'm tied up with RCSim. I can't give you details and definites because none of it is a "done deal" yet and could change at any moment. I also can't say when it will happen because I myself don't know. Things may be moving slowly, but they are still moving and unless I come on and say that SOS, the patch, or the Mac version are dead, then they're still a going concern. Just a slowly going concern. IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 05-15- 02:06 PM English translation: "No patch, no SOS!" ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 05-15- 02:24 PM That must be Canadian English kopper. In American English it reads "No patch, no SOS in the near future. No quarantee that there will be any at all." In Monty Python English it reads "Not quite dead yet". IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 05-15- 03:18 PM Either way, life goes on. Ob-la-de, Ob-la-da! ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-15- 03:35 PM Spanky here... Straight anser my FUCKING ASS. What the fuck ever man. If ya don't even have the commmon decency to answer the question why even bother. If its the owners problem, WHy the fuck am I talking to you? What about the second option I mentioned? Sounded totally valid to me. OH well. Don't even bother answering, I could give a fuck now. IP: Logged
Joseph Cotton Pilot	posted 05-18- 10:26 AM Calm down.. This is just a game.. An old and never very profitable game at that. Maybe it's more than that to some people but those are the simply stated facts. We should remember that any contact/support is better than none at all. Take what is said for just that. Noone is obligated even to speak to us, let alone for us. These things are not of the importance or urgency that they can be falsly be given. That "this game will lose W/O this" it is far to late for this to be relevant. This would be for those who are not come-latlys. It is to be remembered that patience is a virtue. Expect nothing, but never limit what can be given you through your own actions. IP: Logged
Ernst Voss Pilot	posted 05-18- 10:58 AM I can understand Spanky's passion. These sims we enjoy are more than just simple games to many. If you want to hear about total abandonment, speak to one of the Red Baron fold. I have been with that sim since the beginning and through the abandonment by Sierra / Dynamix. We were left without any type of source code or any tools whatsoever to help improve our sim. Through the resourcefulness of the talenteted community the RB membership has grown to an unprecedented size for a WW1 sim group with spectacular user built add-ons. Here at least you have OpenPlane to help you through it all and you have not yet been left to your own devices. If the worst does happen, it does not mean the end, not by a long shot. One area of concern that I do see is the soon release of B17 2 and MSCFS 2 with Pacific Theater. Both of these will highly threaten the all too small SDOE community. Although the first MSCFS was poor, this one may hit the mark and from what I have seen so far, I believe that it will do well. You can tell yourself that I can do them all, but logistically, that never happens. I am involved on-line with three now: SDOE, RB and DoA. I thought I could do it, but it is a constant struggle to find the time to balance all three. It is worth it to me to try, but I never have enough time in any one anymore to be proficient like I used to be. What SDOE holds for me is by far the most realistic on-line dogfighting experiences I have had to date. Long live SDOE and WW1 in SDOE. Ernst [This message has been edited by Ernst Voss (edited 05-18-2000).] IP: Logged
charmstar Pilot	posted 05-18- 01:27 PM The most frustrating thing about the whole deal is the number of semi-promises that have been made and then broken. Everybody agrees that MH doesn't have to do a patch for SDOE, and its great that he is working on one, BUT I don't like hearing that the patch will be out by Christmas or whatever, and it never shows up. Basically it comes down to, if you are going to do something, do it, but otherwise quit talking. MH is by no means the only person doing this kind of thing. I've heard plenty of promises of airplanes that people were building/going to build, that never ended up on the table. however, its more frustrating in this case because MH is the only person with the ability to affect all of us through code changes. If you say you are going to build a B52 and don't, at least I can still do it myself. If MH says he has the CTD fixed and is going to release it in a week and doesn't, well, sucks to be us! What the users have done with Red Baron is amazing, and what users are doing with SDOE is amazing too. It seems like we have an advantage over the RB folks since we still technically have "support", but I don't know about that. I do know I haven't seen anything other than empty promises since the last patch. At least the RB people aren't left with any false hope about what to expect from Sierra. MH should realise that with the sim market as small as it is, he would not be making a smart move by not delivering on a patch. Already there are plenty of SDOE haters. So, when the RC sim comes out, nobody who hated SDOE will buy it, and nobody who liked SDOE but got pissed by the lack of promised patch will buy it, and you have to wonder who's left. It is obvious that MH and the Parsoft team have vision as flight sim designers and programmers. It's too bad they are flushing it down the toilet like this. I hope we get a patch and SOS and the mac version, but I have a feeling that most of us will be moving along to new sims soon, without ever having seen them. charm IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 05-18- 02:36 PM The thing I don't understand is that these bugs will have to get adressed sooner or later when the OP engine gets used for the next sim or licensed to someone else for another sim. Why not do it now and win some lifelong customers in the process? TS ------------------ Patch It! TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-18- 03:42 PM Tail you know what, I'm 101% sure you just hit the nail smack dead centre on the head... "these bugs will have to get adressed sooner or later when the OP engine gets used for the next sim or licensed to someone else for another sim." You're right, they will be addressed, for the next sim, not for this one, the next one will have everything we should have and they'll want us to go pay money to get it.. Good Business strategy huh.. I honestly belive that. Forget the patch and SOS guys, lets be realistic about it, we're not getting it. But hey, if we do, Bonus huh.. till then forget it cause it aint worth our time of day forever posting about it, I for one don't want to constantly heer about what could be should be etc etc, I'll listen when its here. ~Nat~ IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 05-18- 04:14 PM Marketing lessons number gazillion. If Inertia is still working on SDOP you can be certain they have the code to fix these problems. They will not release it to the SDOE community. Why you ask? Because part of their marketing strategy will be to allow any SDOE OP stuff to be imported into SDOP's engine. This means to get all the bugs fixed you will have to BUY another sim - dropping for us canucks over $80 Cdn. To force you to do this, they will withdraw support for SDOE in the online servers. It's a damn conspirousy man. ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 05-18- 05:40 PM And this was another topic for this - Spanky and the others said what we all think, unfortunatly it won't change anything. "Things are still moving..." If this would be the first sentence I would read with this meaning I would say there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but I read similiar things often and nothing happens. We should stop waiting for a patch, we'll never see any - It would be better to start saving money for SDOP and find out what new bugs we will get As kopper said "live goes on" And hell yeah ! A conspiracy ! Damn ! LK IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 05-18- 05:42 PM Tail - seems they give a shit about 500 "lifelong" customers... IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 05-18- 06:08 PM Nat, I can't believe they would be holding back openplane fixes just to increase sales of a SDOP sim. It would only hurt sales not help them. TS ------------------ Patch It! TS Aircombat IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-18- 06:34 PM I actually don't think it'll affect overall sales, but I agree, to us it seems a dumb move, but watch this space.. or rather don't bother, cause there wont be a patch, the patch as kopper rightly states will be if.. "if" sdoep gets released, the patch ofcourse being the new game. So what do I suggest.. well myself if I had the knowledge, I'd say screw the copyright break down the prog and fix the bugs myself, then freely distribute it via a website setup using false details. IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-18- 06:36 PM anyway, I've already decided that we here are going to create SDOEP well before they can. Bugs, I'll live with them before I pay another cent towards another SDOE version after this total fuckup of after sales support. IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-18- 06:42 PM gggrrrrrr and another thing! Lets be realistic, this message board, and everything anyone has built for SDOE thats been worth it's salt has purely fueld the engine for further sims from Inertia, lessons taught them by everyone here on how to build, texture and whats wanted and not wanted in a sim..ok, maybe I should be happy bout that cause it means the next one should really kick ass.. but you know what.. it'll really piss me off knowing all the work thats been put in here has been rifled for someone else to make money from, and we've just been shit on and left to die. Fuck em all, I like what I have and love playin it and building what I can for it, but I shit them for what they have done to us and how we've been treated. You guys are the bomb.. but Parsoft/Inertia.. less said the better I think. IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-18- 06:43 PM Toadstools we are! TOADSTOOLS I SAY!!! Kept in the dark and fed on SHIT ------------------ JV44 "Naturlich" If you can't out run em.. <B>OUT GUN EM!</B> <B>Nats FS-SDOE Site</B> IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-18- 07:27 PM er.. did I do or say something to get this thread moved into here? IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-18- 08:23 PM Truth? ------------------ IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-18- 08:39 PM Spanky here... I'm pretty sure that was me man actuallly it was a double post. I posted here first and then reposted in general. Sorry, now its all messsed up. I should have started in general and let it move to flame if it got heated, which it did. -------------------------------------- K the thing is here people is yes, They should fix the bugs now. They shouldn't be working on a new SDOE without the bugs, They should have most already fixed. The thing that would make us want to buy SDOP. is Openplane version 2.0 Yes new features, not a bugfix. yes we may be able to convert some planes from SDOP to SDOE but it won't be the plane it is in SDOP, since there would be new features in use by then. At least there will be if they hope to get any sales. BTW, I think all the people that got burned by SDOE and all the people that still play and feel burned right now, WILL be enough to effect the next parsoft/inertia game. Its a fact of marketing. IP: Logged
Jv44~Siggi Pilot	posted 05-19- 12:23 AM I think MH is quite a nice guy but has pretended, for whatever reason, to be a bigger cheese than he ever actually was. He's done his best to keep interest alive in something that he obviously put his heart into but hasn't had the clout to force things through. I've done my share of ripping him but time has slowly revealed a pattern of events. Give it up guys. Sometimes it's just better to admit defeat and go on to the next war. SDoE isn't going to be fixed, that's rather obvious by now. Get over it and find something new, or wait for something new. And give the poor bugger a break. actiscum are the real criminals who shafted us, don't lose sight of that. IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 05-19- 11:23 AM SDOP not a bug fix for SDOE of course it will be! What do you thing Windows 98 was? Nothing more than a bug fix for Windows 95! ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-19- 01:51 PM Spanky here... What I'm saying Kopper is it SHOULDN'T be. I know it IS going to be (which is really fucking sad) but thats not the way it should be. If it's JUST a bug fix then its going to fail horribly. It SHOULD be SDOE with a boatload of new features and openplane Version 2.0 IP: Logged

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