posted 05-02- 01:26 PM               

So where is SOS???? MH said his lawyer was working on a Non-disclosure. If they are getting paid by the flippin hour they are making a fortune. I offered to send him one of my NDA's and I have heard nothing.

Come up with the goods MH or fuck off!!!!!

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-02- 02:05 PM               

I don't own the engine and can't control the lawyers.

posted 05-02- 02:32 PM               

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-02- 05:41 PM               

Well then MH

Why don't the owners speak up and say whats up with this?

Don't they care about their company? No one is going to buy the next products UNLESS they can prove they can do the job right.

OR at least let people work for them for free to help them fix it.

ALSO whats up with these so called lawyers? How are they being paid? If it is hourly then how can you guys afford all this time? It should be a somewhat simple matter. For a lawyer anyways.

So really it seems the big problem should be do the owners want this to happen.

posted 05-02- 07:28 PM               

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posted 05-02- 07:31 PM               

Oh Dan. Don't even get me started about metallica.

posted 05-03- 02:03 AM               

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-=BAB=- Gunner

posted 05-03- 10:18 AM               

a) because I really don't give two shits about you guys

b) I am doing a market test to see how long I can string a sucker (customer) along

c) it's Bill Gate's fault

Does someone want to help me do a better sim?

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-03- 12:04 PM               

2. Metallica
Right on, Dan. Load is crap. Re-load is crap. They are sell-outs in every sense of the word. Headlining for Lollapalooza?!?! I have to respect them for what they once were, but right now they rank up there with the Back Boys in my mind. I did buy Garage Inc. (real inspired title there, better than "Load" I guess.) because of the Garage Days stuff that's on there (Disc 2)
You're absolutely right about Disc 1. The Mercyful Fate stuff is good, everything else is crap.

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posted 05-03- 12:11 PM               

I am saying now, SOS will never happen. The patch will never be released. We are stuck with this lame duck because Inertia wants us to buy the 'new and improved' SDOP if and when they ever get off their asses and do it.

When MH put out the call saying Inertia is hiring did anyone respond? I did. I never heard boo back. Does this surprise anyone????

I am mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Is anyone up to doing a sim???

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-03- 12:22 PM               

I think they're only looking for game programmers and artists right now. I don't know anything about Inertia, but if they're anything like other software companies, I doubt they would respond unless you were applying to work in either of those specific positions.

posted 05-03- 12:41 PM               

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-03- 01:33 PM               

Seriously though, in the field that you and I share, we both know that failure to return calls promptly is the Kiss of Death.

Mk10=225h=

posted 05-03- 02:14 PM               

Ya know ... we all know FS has it's share of problems, yet here we sit and piss'n moan about not getting the patch or the SOS is not being released quick enough ...

... My question is ... if it's so fucking horrible why bother sticking around?

I can only speak for myself but ... despite its flaws, I've not purchased a new games/program since I bought it! If that isn't some sort of testiment that there is more to like about FS than there is to hate ... I don't know what is!

Yeah..yeah ... I know you wouldn't be here if you didn't care ... Well "big whoopty-fuck'n-doo"!

It's getting to the point where it sounds like you guys are just sitting around flogging your puds and thinking about what FS "might have been" ...

I'm happy and content with what "I bought". And MH and Parsoft and Inertia owes me nothing ...

Maybe it's time to face the realization that this just might be "IT" as far as FS goes... a simple case of "deal with it" I think is absolutely in order!

Fuck it ... while I'm on a roll ...

I'm just about done dealing with the FM whining too ...

It wasn't too long ago the "thing" everyone bitched about was the crappy FMs! Suddenly now when the FMs are getting quite close to what everyone expected (IMHO) ... Now it's "their to hard to fly ... there is no way they handles like this ... they are absolute crap ... blah..blah..blah ... whine ..piss'n moan and stamp your feet for good measure" ...

posted 05-03- 02:22 PM               

So what if I got shot down by a girl. Anyone can shoot down a bomber in this game, it's far too simple.

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-03- 02:25 PM               

Nope it's regressive ... I went from seven letters to only three ...

My next post will consist of several "grunts"

posted 05-03- 02:48 PM               

Personally speaking, I have been operating with the notion that things have gotten about as good as they're going to get. I sincerely hope MH rolls out a big patch, but I'm sure as heck not waiting for or expecting one. Even with a patch, people aren't going to come en masse to SDOE anyway. It's too late for that. It will take a new sim... a starting over of sorts. To that end, let's hope some wealthy investor or company realizes how great a platform Openplane is and decides to build a combat sim on it... but, let's not hold our collective breath on that either.

posted 05-03- 02:53 PM               

Zur- Its not that we feel we are owed a patch.

BUT after all the talk MH has done about a patch and SOS.

We ARE owed at least an explanation or a simple.

"sorry boys, its not going to happen"

Even that would be better then this limbo.

The reason I care isn't because I think I am owed anything because the game sucked.

I don't even think it sucked that bad.

NO game holds my interest very long. Name me ANY block buster game and I will probly tell ya that I played it for a couple days and then lost interest.

REALLY.

SIMS addictive? Nope One play and then off the hard drive.

Quake 1/2/3 Nope NONE they all sucked.

Age of empires. Nothing to hold me there..

The only games that I have gotten into on PC in the last FULL year that I have played for more then 3 days are.

System Shock 2
Sports car GT
SDOE.

THAT IT.

So the way I see it I diffenatly got my moneys worth with SDOE.

Its just I don't want to invest the time (and in some cases people invested money) to learn openplane, just to have it Die.

Which with out SOS or a patch it will do.

All I want it for is to see SDOE go on. Cause its such a freaking cool game. I really want everyone to stick around and keep flying and making great games. But I just can't see that happening with new games coming out and this one just sitting still.

posted 05-03- 02:56 PM               

JT? Who is going to buy this great sim?

Everyone that hears that parsoft Is doing the game will shiver and not even try the demo.

They have been burnt and they aren't coming back.

posted 05-03- 03:20 PM               

>Everyone that hears that parsoft Is doing the game will shiver and not even try the demo.

You think people wouldn't even try the demo... a free demo? I find it hard to believe that anyone would be so bitter as to not even want to try a free demo.
Look, all it takes is a great demo and good reviews to convince people that this new sim does not inherit the problems of SDOE. At that point, everything changes.

posted 05-03- 03:31 PM               

I hardly believe the SOS will save FS from eventually becoming a cult simulation (hell, I think it is now!..)

Really ... what's done is "done". The only people REALLY interested in SOS are those who see the potential of FS and would like to figuratively "put it on life support" ...

Sure some major things might get fixed or modified ... but in the long0run ... SOS will only become another complaint spring board...

... "I like the old code better ... I hate how you've changed the padlock ... the aircraft fly like bricks now ... ect..ect...ect."

FS has taken the form of a "modeler and skinners" dream program ... and not the saviour to online WWII simming as everyone had hoped ...

Will other buy anthing Inertia puts out? ... I say "yes" ... Nothing has stopped people from re-inversting in companies that have let the consumers down ... why would it be any different for Inertia?

"Bygones" I say ...

"Life hands you a lemon ... make lemonaid"

FS is what it is ... "if" a patch is ever released ... it's only "pudding to the pie"

posted 05-03- 03:32 PM               

You're not one of them fellas what has the "My Country, Love It Or Leave It" bumper stickers on your truck, are you?

Gosh Zur, I'm not sure what side of the bed you got up on this morning, but my money's on the side that had the pungee sticks on the floor, dripping venemous poison.

Any opinions regarding The Mythical Patch or Additional Support, just for your information, are the direct result of a lot of frustration by a lot of folks who have flown this sim ONLINE for a long, long time, all the while being "TOLD," agreeably NEVER "PROMISED," that they would soon be enjoying a remedy that would help alleviate a lot of the frustration that is caused by playing this game ONLINE, A LOT.

I'm really happy that you are quite pleased with SDOE, and have been so darn happy, that you have not felt is necessary to purchase another game. I would say that for you, that is a testemant that you feel there is more to like about this game than there is to hate.

And I don't necessarily feel that these people, and I'll lump myself in that category proudly, feel that there is necessarily a lot more to hate about this game than there is to like.

And I don't think we're "...sitting around flogging our puds and thinking about what FS 'might have been'...," rather I think we have been teased into thinking about what FS "might be."

I'll have to tell you I was a little bit more than astonished when the normally SDOE-flag-waving Kopper posted the post he did. Floored me. Totally. But again, it's the product of a lot of frustration felt by someone who flies SDOE online, a lot.

Of course MH, Parasoft, and Inertia owe ALL of us "nothing." We have all played SDOE for a long time, and have probably gotten more out of this sim than any other we have ever flown.

Personally, I would never let someone having a Bad Hair day make me feel sheepish about expressing my views, and I will staunchly defend anyone's right to do so...even Propwash's. Well...there might be limits, but you know what I mean.

And I don't think anyone's been screaming "I..I..I..me..me..me," but rather "We..we..we..our community."

As far as the FM's go, if you have been personally involved in working very hard on doing FM work on planes, only to have people "whine" (express their opinions?) about hard work you have done, then I can understand that part of your frustration.

You have the right to express your opinion about other people's opinions and vice versa. This is my opinion of your expression.

I've enjoyed you a lot in the past, and notice that you seem a little torqued off about quite a few things lately, and hope that things outside of SDOE are going OK for you.

I can't help with anything pertaining to people's postings regarding the FM's, but I think as far as the patch stuff lately, all folks are trying to do is get a little closure, so they can move on.

Really, I think everyone's wanting to do what you'd like them to do, i.e. get on with their lives, but like any relationship you've become deeply involved in, sometimes you need to know for sure things are over before you can move on and feel good about it.

By the way, you're beating Prop with your "Fucks-used-per-post" ratio! LOL

posted 05-03- 04:11 PM               

Sorry about the explitives ... I usually only take them out on Saturdays.

RE the mythical patch ..

I guess I can't help but empathize with MH on this issue ... FSSDOE is for all intent and purpose ... "dead and done". Activision payed Parsoft the check and he's not seen a cent from FSSDOE since ...

Despite all his "best intentions" and "whishfull thinking" ... The final patch and the SOS keep coming in second-place to his "PAYING" projects ... due process ... and his home-life. I can't bring myself to chastise the guys efforts because his priorities are not in alignment with the communities ...

Enough about MH .. he's a big-boy and he can surely defend himself of his own accord ...

RE: the FMs ...

I have absolutely no problem with people voicing their "opinions" but then people outright trash them .. ... I can't help but feel besmirched! I can't speak for Tail, but I go to great lengths to apply real data and pride myself on not being bias when defining a FM.

... And I do all this for what? ... So some loud-mouth gits can proclaim that they are god-awefull and they are the demise of FS ... I don't have to tolerate it ... period.

RE: the FS "relationship" ...

I think the community is in the "denial" stage ... Despite the indications from the lover (MH) .. We (the community) still clamor for the hope of a glorious patch to make averything better ...

I'm to the point I think we "ALL" need good shrinks!

Again ... sorry about the expletives. [Zur heads for the soap] ...

posted 05-03- 04:58 PM               

I am sure you have noticed that no matter what you do someone will always complain. You can't please everyone so don't bother trying. You whinner!!!

We were told a few things but MH keeps coming up with reasons for the delay. Tell us it's not going to happen and be done with it.

Does it mean we will all delete SDOE from our hard drives (or puds) and move on? I just want MH to come clean and tell us the 'gen.' (RCAF slang for the genuine article - straight goods)

To date I have purchased EAW and FS Flight Sim and am not using them at all anymore. Simply because SDOE is the only one with a Lanc and overall to me it's a good sim.

However, we were told he was working on these things 'in his spare time' and to wait. I am tired of waiting! I want to know.

RELEASE THE SOURCE, RELEASE THE SOURCE! Shit, a few of the genius's on this forum could have written a new sim engine in the time we have been waiting for the patch.

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-03- 07:10 PM               

It wont happen obviously, but it's a kick ass dream...

As far as SOS and Patch goes.. yeah, thats a kick ass dream aswell.

I love SDOE for one 2 very big reasons...

1. The guys in this community, yes everyone, even the moaners.
2. I've learnt the basics of 3D modeling, and will (I hope) learn much more because of SDOE

Still... it would be nnice just to be told that we wont get SOS or the Patch.. or even better, if there really is so much trouble with laywers etc... start a Forum for it, where MH can post updates and reviews of whats going on, keep us upto date, because all this is for us. There must be meetings on a regular basis, or guides lines of whats expected by Parsoft etc etc etc.. I realy don't wanna believe that the Laywers handling this are doing absolutely nothing day in day out, so tell us what they are doing and whats happening!

There's lots more to be said, but why repeat stuff from other ppls posts, so I'll drop it here.

~Nat~

posted 05-03- 07:12 PM               

If you don't like the fact this topic comes up every 4 wks then there must be something wrong, right? There is, we want our fucking patch!!! If MH isn't going to pony up we want to know.

If you don't like it Jerry ignore it. This is flame wars. The only rule, "THERE ARE NO RULES!"

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 05-03- 07:31 PM               

Fly it
Paint it
Change it's panel
Change it's sounds

Not perfect and does have it's own limitations. But you have alternatives.

I've saved myself 10 months of this grief and reruns. It was well worth the exit.

posted 05-03- 07:31 PM               

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posted 05-03- 09:01 PM               

No..no..no. You misunderstand!

I as much as enyone would like both the patch AND the SOS thingy come to fruition ... I however have no problems if it doesn't.

Damn "realist" in me coming out I guess ...

posted 05-03- 10:09 PM               

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posted 05-03- 10:40 PM               

Oh I understand and empathize ...

posted 05-03- 10:40 PM               

Well I was going to write a HUGE post about it BUT it looks like Spyder got it.

Well most of it.

All I can add is I think that most people are underestimating the fact that ALOT of serious simmer WON'T touch SDOE2 even with a decent demo and reviews. They will have to have it forced down there throats.

A GOOD patch for SDOE COULD MAYBE help that situation by letting us convince people right now before its even out that Inertia really does know what its doing.

BUT as it stands right now even with AMAZING FM's we can't convince them to come back and check it out cause of all the freaking bugs. The first CTD they get they will be gone. Thats it one chance is all that some people will give.

Remember some of these guys already have SDOE on the shelf and they can't be bothered to load it and patch it up. What makes you think they are going to bother Downloading a demo to try out #2?

Remember also that some of these guys ABSOLUTLY HATE SDOE. They laugh at you when you say you like it and its the butt of all ww2 flight sim jokes.

Name a recent ww2 sim that sucked ass? Well what do you ya know ITS SDOE in their minds.

posted 05-03- 11:48 PM               

You are underestimating the power of a good review and a nice demo... oh and compelling screenshots help too. You are also overestimating the average simmer's ability to keep money in his pocket when faced with the prospect of a new sim on the market.

Listen... I read the comments and reviews of SDOE when it first came out, but I still bought it... you bought it didn't you?

Yes, without a demo, most simmers would be very wary of buying another sim by Parsoft/Activision. With a prefect or near-perfect demo, however, most people would be able to set aside their bitterness or reservations about Openplane based sims.

>Remember some of these guys already have SDOE on the shelf and they can't be bothered to load it and patch it up. What makes you think they are going to bother downloading a demo to try out #2?

posted 05-04- 12:14 AM               

Ok then JT. Maybe you OVERestimate Inertias abilitys

I fully expect SDOP to just be SDOE with pac planes and terrain and some small features added and tweaked

NOT a totally new game.

That won't be enough by then. Not with some of the fundemental changes,

IL-2
B17-2 and
WW2 online

are brining to the table.