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$mokey Pilot	posted 01-17- 06:41 PM Bush's plan to create economic stimulas by eliminating corporate taxes is not needed. Enron paid almost no tax in the last five years. I wonder how many more of these freeloaders are getting away with this. IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-17- 07:05 PM Damn right! Why didn't the Clinton administration do something!!! IP: Logged
DanW Pilot	posted 01-17- 08:10 PM "Why didn't the Clinton administration do something!!!" a) He was too busy getting pussy in the oval office to care. b) Dubbya called him and said he would handle it in a few years. c) The IRS fucked up really bad. d) Hillary is a bitch. e) None of the above. I call 'a'. IP: Logged
$mokey Pilot	posted 01-17- 08:15 PM Clinton was too busy defending himself against the vast right wing conspericy of which Enron was probably a part of. IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-17- 09:43 PM Is that the same right wing conspiracy that Hillary said was saying all those lies about Bill and Monica having sex? LOL Sure did Enron a lot of good being part of the "right wing conspiracy' didn't it? LOL IP: Logged
Sv JAG	posted 01-18- 10:38 AM Did Enron make any money as a corporation? IP: Logged
$mokey Pilot	posted 01-18- 11:11 AM I think it depends on which set of books you look at. Maybe they had one set for investors and another for tax purposes. IP: Logged
Sv JAG	posted 01-18- 12:42 PM Well that is called tax evasion and is illegal. Hard to believe that there wasn't a hell of allot of "illegal" going on over there... IP: Logged
$mokey Pilot	posted 01-18- 02:58 PM Well, we'll see if anyone goes to jail then. My money says the big shots wiggle out of it. They're all ready saying that seven of the congressmen doing the investigating have been bought off (campaign contributions, what you republicans like to call free speech) by Enron. [This message has been edited by $mokey (edited 01-18-2002).] IP: Logged
Lothar Pilot	posted 01-18- 03:36 PM Not only will they wiggle out of it, they will all have comfy $500,000 executive jobs and be on the board of directors of some other company next year. IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-18- 03:56 PM It depends upon what the definition of "is" is. IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-18- 04:01 PM quote: Originally posted by $mokey: They're all ready saying that seven of the congressmen doing the investigating have been bought off (campaign contributions, what you republicans like to call free speech) by Enron. [This message has been edited by $mokey (edited 01-18-2002).] Who are "they" Smokey? If campaign contributions "buy off" people how come the White House didn't prevent the bankruptcy? There has been absolutely no evidence of any quid pro quo help to Enron by either Republicans or Democrats so please tell me where you are getting all this "inside" information. From what I can tell it's just Liberal wet dreams. IP: Logged
$mokey Pilot	posted 01-18- 04:50 PM The news said seven congresmen who are going to be in on the investigation have recieved over 700,000 dollars in campaign money from Enron. So far none of the seven have recused themselves from the investigation. IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-18- 05:18 PM OK, but where does it say they were bought off? From the list I saw, Enron donated large amounts to every Texas Congressman and Senator over the years, regardless of political party. Are you saying Enron controlled the entire Texas delegation for the last ten years? Where's your proof? Do you know what Quid Pro Quo means? You seem to equate campaign donations to "bought off". The Democrats raised more money during the Clinton years than the Republicans. So who owns them? Also, political campaigns now days cost millions of dollars. Do you think $100,000 in donations out of several million dollars buys a Congressman? The most Enron gave any Congressman last year was about $25,000. To come up with $100,000 that would be 4 years of contributions covering at least two campaigns. Do the math. It's not enough to "buy" anyone. Labor unions donate more to candidates than any other organization or company. Which congressmen did your union own? IP: Logged
$mokey Pilot	posted 01-18- 09:55 PM Campaign donations buy politicians. Where did I say it only bought republicans. I said republicans consider campaign donations as free speech. I consider campaign donations to be a payoff no matter which party is getting the money. You gotta be dumber than a rock not to think the people that make these donations don't expect something for their dollars. Enron has spread so much money around to these leaches that it will be hard to find someone to investigate the mess that isn't tainted. [This message has been edited by $mokey (edited 01-18-2002).] IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-18- 10:44 PM I don't agree that campaign contributions necessarily "buy" the politician. If the candidate is ethical at all, he/she won't vote against their conscience and political philosophy just to pay back a contributor. It would be too obvious to their constituants. Corporations, unions, individuals, PAC's, etc. give their money to candidates and parties who agree with them on issues of mutual interest before the candidate even gets into office, or to defeat candidates who they view would do them harm. It would be foolish to give your money to someone who would normally vote against you in an effort to "buy" them. Do you think that if Enron had given Ralph Nadar a million dollars that he would vote for energy exploration? Why would an oil company give money to an environmentalist in the hopes of "buying" them when they could give their money to a candidate who already agreed to drilling in the ANWAR? Supporting someone you agree with doesn't mean you expect them to do something illegal for you in return. You're just a bitter old man Smokey. Have some faith in the system. It's not perfect but it's not as corrupt as you think either. IP: Logged
$mokey Pilot	posted 01-19- 02:12 PM Ethical politician, LOL. That's an incongruity. Like Army intelegence. It just don't go together. The truth is our government is for sale to the highest bidder. You think Enron is the only corporation cooking their books? Ha, what a laugh. Jerry, you're more nieve than I thought you were. The only reason Enron isn't still doing their crooked shit is because they fell into bankruptcy. If they are doing it how many others do you think are doing it? Enron's bookeeping procedures are probably standard procedure if you knew the truth. I'm supposed to have faith in a system that names the leader of the world by court appointment because it's too lazy to sort out who really won an election. Yeah right, I'll get to believing in the honor and integrity of our system and corporate America as soon as I get over the tooth fairy and Santa Clause. LOL. [This message has been edited by $mokey (edited 01-19-2002).] IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-19- 03:52 PM Well Smokey, either your view of our system is correct or mine is. God help us all if your view is correct. We may as well join Bin Laden and tear the whole thing down. According to you our government is no better than the Taliban. How do you sleep at night knowing that none of our leaders are ethical and that our entire government is for sale? How can you support big government like you do, thinking that government is rotten to the core? You poor, disillusioned, cynical old man. I feel sorry for you. You're more miseraable and negative than even DanW. Maybe he'll loan you his .38 so you can quickly end your misery. IP: Logged
der.Todesvogel Pilot	posted 01-20- 10:19 AM quote: Originally posted by $mokey: Ethical politician, LOL. That's an incongruity. Like Army intelegence. It just don't go together. The truth is our government is for sale to the highest bidder. I believe no more than 2 in 5 Americans are ethical... why should the Government of the People be any different? [This message has been edited by der.Todesvogel (edited 01-20-2002).] IP: Logged
DanW Pilot	posted 01-20- 11:34 AM "You're more miseraable and negative than even DanW. Maybe he'll loan you his .38 so you can quickly end your misery." heh, maybe Smokey is fucking your wife too. IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-20- 01:24 PM Better than the Great Dane that's fucking yours, shit-for-brains. IP: Logged
DanW Pilot	posted 01-20- 04:38 PM Awww...is that the best you can do Jihad Jerry? Oh, what's with all the negativity? You sure do like to advocate violence against people you don't like. Are you sure you want us to really kill ourselves? You may need some therapy dude....and your wife for that matter...haha IP: Logged
Jerry+ Pilot	posted 01-20- 05:12 PM Actually, I do like you and Smokey (actually, sympathy is more descriptive than "like"). That's why I hate to see you both so miserable with your depressing viewpoints of American society. Assisted suicide is legal here in Oregon, thanks to liberals like you. I'm just suggesting that you live (and die) according to liberal beliefs. As for therapy, who was it who injected infidelity into a conversation about political ethics? Quite a sexual hang-up you have there Danny boy. Repressed homosexual perhaps? IP: Logged

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