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der.Todesvogel
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posted 01-13- 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for der.Todesvogel   Click Here to Email der.Todesvogel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While people run around arguing topics such as Political Correctness, real issues of our honesty and honor go unexplored.

I find it disgraceful that many Americans think that isolated moments of tragedy, or of suffering by people whom they happen to be related, are an instant opportunity to become unimaginably wealthy.

This behavior lacks human integrity, just as those the acts commited by the terroists.

Breaking from my conservative views, I wish to see the US Government block any attempts by individuals to profit through lawsuits filled against companies that were involved in Sept 11.

This is war. No effort would have prevented this kind of event. The bad guys were that determined. Even today, airport security doesn't appear better (I fly again tomorrow, on AA I think).

If this type of legal action isn't stopped, soldiers' familes will someday have justification for suing the US Government over their loved-ones' deaths.

[This message has been edited by der.Todesvogel (edited 01-13-2002).]

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$mokey
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posted 01-14- 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for $mokey   Click Here to Email $mokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it depends on the situation which,
unfortunately, has to be looked at by the
courts on a case by case basis. Some companies' management told people to stay
in the buildings, that there was nothing
to worry about. I think these companies should
be liable.

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Jerry+
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posted 01-14- 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry+   Click Here to Email Jerry+     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What ticks me off is that the government payout to victim's families is to be reduced by any life insurance payments the families get. So the victim who took care of his/her family by having life insurance is not worth as much in the eyes of the government as the person who didn't take out insurance. Another example where those who play by the rules get penalized and those who don't get "taken care of" by big government.

Also, why is there a government pay out at all?

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$mokey
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posted 01-14- 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for $mokey   Click Here to Email $mokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't know there was going to be a govt.
payout, other than maybe social security
suvivor benefits and possibly workman's
comp. If there is a govt. payout it shouldn't
make any difference what the person's personnel
insurance is. At least legally those people
are just as dead as a factory worker who gets
run over by a power truck. What's the diff?

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Jerry+
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posted 01-14- 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry+   Click Here to Email Jerry+     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Smokey, the payout is part of the big recovery bill that passed right after 9/11. They say the average payout will be $1.6 million. It's to cover lost wages and pain and suffering. In return the families agree not to sue the airlines.

I still don't know why the 9/11 families get a payout but not the Oklahoma bombing victims. What about the Pan Am Lockerbie bombing victims? Or the military who get killed? These people don't get billions of dollars in charity money either!

If this is what the country wants to do fine, I won't have a hissy fit over it. I just wonder why the government payment should be reduced by life insurance and (I just read) pension fund payments.

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$mokey
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posted 01-14- 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for $mokey   Click Here to Email $mokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doesn't make sense to me. First of all I say
fuck the airlines. If they were guilty of
neglegance then they should have to pay.
Why should my tax dollars go to keep the
airlines out of trouble. I have a problem
with the whole airline bailout thing anyway.
The main obsticle to airline security all
these years has been the airlines themselves.
They are still fighting some measures the
goverment wants to take since 9/11 to increase
security. You'd think eventually they'd learn.

As far as the rest, I don't want to sound
cold hearted or anything but those people
were at work and got killed. We have plenty
of laws and a court system to take care of
that. Let nature take its course. I don't
think a person's personnel insurance should
have anything to do with it.

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Jerry+
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posted 01-14- 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry+   Click Here to Email Jerry+     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are so against the airline bailout maybe you should talk to your boy Tom Daschle. His wife is a lobbyist for American Airlines, NW Airlines and Boeing. He was a big supporter of bailing out the airlines after 9/11.

While you are talking to him ask him why his economic advisor Paul Rubens, former Clinton Treasury Secretary, called Bush people last October and asked them to help Enron. So far as is known, he is the only non-Enron person to ask the White House for help.

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$mokey
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posted 01-14- 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for $mokey   Click Here to Email $mokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I doubt if I would carry much weight with
either one of them.

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