posted 01-10- 02:24 PM               

Ari Fleischer in answering questions about
his boss Bush getting his ass investigated
over the Enron bankruptcy is now refering
to the "partisen investigations of the last
several years" as "fishing expidetions".

posted 01-10- 02:40 PM               

By the way, so far it has been determined that Enron has been cooking the books for four years! Guess who was President for 3 of those 4? If a sitting President is the cause of companies going under maybe the wrong President is being blamed.

Did you also know who the lawyer is who is defending Enron? Bob Bennent! Bill Clinton's lawyer!!! This should get interesting.

posted 01-10- 03:01 PM               

In an effort to help formulate the Bush administration's energy policy, Cheney met 6 times with top Enron executives.

posted 01-10- 03:53 PM               

Well, I should mention that I just saw Fox News do a short peice about the Enron debacle, but neither Bush nor Cheney were mentioned at any point in the piece. Big surprise there, right? Paul O'Neil was, however, mentioned many times in the story... I guess they want him to fall on his sword for the big guys. On a positive note, the Fox News anchors appeared concerned when they talked about how Enron employees were prevented from selling off their stock when the company's value started to plummet.

posted 01-10- 04:26 PM            

I guess Enron field in Houston will be under a new name...Fraud Field?

Enron also was a big supporter of UT's business school and hired a bunch of Business/MIS (worthless) grads each year. They had their name planted all over the inside of the business school. I guess those spots on the wall are up for grabs now..LOL

posted 01-10- 04:34 PM            

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/topstory2/1206780
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/enron/1205653

"Meanwhile, Attorney General John Ashcroft, who received campaign contributions from Enron executives during his failed 2000 senatorial bid, said he will recuse himself from the Justice investigation.

"The attorney general has not been involved in any aspect of initiating or conducting any investigation involving Enron," the Justice Department said in a written statement.

As for the Ashcroft donations, Enron and its employees contributed $57,499 to campaign committees for Ashcroft, previously a Republican senator from Missouri, in 1999-2000, according to Holly Bailey, researcher for the Center for Responsive Politics. "
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/enron/1203739

"Cheney met 6 times with Enron execs
Talks centered on Bush energy policy was focus of talks
By DAVID IVANOVICH
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Enron Corp. officials had six meetings with Vice President Dick Cheney and his aides over an eight-month period to discuss the nation's energy policy, Cheney's office revealed in a letter released Tuesday.

In an indication of just how much political influence Enron Chief Executive Ken Lay wielded at the Bush White House, Cheney attorney David Addington said his boss met with Lay for about half an hour April 17. "

"Over the course of Bush's political career, Lay and other Enron officials have given him $623,000 in campaign donations, according to a report to be issued today by the Center for Public Integrity, a Washington-based government watchdog group.

Enron's top 24 executives and board members gave Bush $74,200 in contributions in the 2000 election cycle, the center said.

Lay and other Enron officials contributed to the Bush war chest for the recount vote in Florida. And then after the race had finally been decided, Lay, former Enron Chief Executive Jeffrey Skilling and the corporation itself each ponied up another $100,000 to help pay for Bush's inaugural festivities. "

My my...wish I had friends like that...lol
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/enron/1189277

"As Enron executives were scrambling to salvage a deal with Houston-based Dynegy in a vain effort to stave off bankruptcy, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee received three checks from the Houston-based energy and trading giant totaling $100,000, Federal Election Commission records show.

The contributions were collected on Nov. 26, according to the committee's report to the FEC, six days before Enron sought protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. "

LOL...even the dems got some dirty fingers too.

posted 01-10- 08:36 PM               

Bush has the support of 85% of Americans and it's just killing you, so you go on a witch hunt. LOL First you complain when successful companies donate to Republican campaigns by saying its a payoff for favors. Now you're complaining about donations from an unsuccessful company. Make up your fucking minds!!

If Bush were in bed with Enron why did they go under? Why didn't all those "secret" phone calls and meetings help? Why is the Justice Department conducting a criminal investigation of Enron?

You just don't like it that the business community recognizes that Republicans aren't out to regulate and tax them to death like the Democrats are. As I said a few days ago, liberals/socialists are just this side of Communism and want to destroy capitalism - or at least put companies under so much government control that the politicians run the economy. That way you can "redistribute" the wealth more efficiently, which is the ultimate goal of liberals/socialists/communists.

posted 01-10- 08:51 PM            

Have you no clue as to why Enron went under? What a dumbass....read the paper.

Sucks when the witch hunt is against your boy don't it?....kinda like when you were bashing Slick Willie. LOL

Dubby's hands are dirty..but as you stated his approval ratings are extremely high...so no harm to your puppet.

posted 01-10- 09:05 PM               

Enron failed because the were poorly managed by a bunch of crooks....kind of like the US government was under Clinton. They also failed because they operate Texas and have too many UT graduates working for them. A flag-ship school? In what besides football? LOL

posted 01-11- 08:24 AM               

Be cold man, our boss just make some mess with americanīs money... FBI have a eye over him!
He make this anouncement last nite. Look the expressive eyes - this guy is a genius!

-Do you agree Scully?

posted 01-11- 10:28 AM               

As for the news following the "Rink Rage" story more, all I can say is "the more things change, the more they stay the same". We're just a step from bringing back Gary Condit et al. Oh yeah, the news media really changed after the last election. The only effect seems to have been laying off Bush due to their perceived piling on Clinton. That has clearly not stopped them dwelling on crap stories.

posted 01-11- 01:12 PM               

Are you liberals going to start blaming the Republicans for the shady doings at Arthur Anderson too? LOL

The real victims in all this are the 401(k) participants and Bush has called for an immediate review of 401(k) regulations. If you could get past your partisan hatred of Republicans and look at what Bush's team has actually done in all this you would see that they have made all the right moves.

But of course, when did the truth ever mean anything to a liberal. Maybe Bush should get on TV and tell the American people that he "did not have sex with that" company, Enron. LOL

posted 01-11- 03:13 PM               

I might also add that many people respond positively to such polls as they feel (and rightly so) that they should support their president in this time of crisis, even if they think he's a buffoon in other areas. The nature of the poll is such that even I might respond positively if at the time I was asked, I thought the man was doing OK and not totally screwing things up. That would not mean that I wouldn't be running to the polls next election day to vote against his party.

Please, by all means, go ahead and believe that 36% of the people, many of whom view Bush as having stolen the presidency, have miraculously changed their views across the board. It'll only help our crazy liberal conspiracy to take over the world that much sooner . . .

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . (manical liberal laughter)

posted 01-11- 03:38 PM               

"The biggest problem is the idea that you can
take the money yourself and invest it and come
out better. The average person investing in
the stock market is like a minnow swimming
in a school of sharks. This is a republican
plan thought up by their big business masters.
Unions worked for 60 years to continue Social
Security and negotiate good pension plans from
employers. Employers even stooped to the tactic
of declaring bankrupcy to steal the
money in these pension plans. Unions got laws
passed so that an employer can not touch the
money in a pension plan. What's the employer's
answer? The 401k. Now you take your money,
invest it in the stock market and presto, they
got their fingers in your retirement money
again. It's amazing how stupid people can be."
http://www.fightersquadron.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000245.html

The Enron debicle is exactally the type of
thing I was talking about. You younger people
on this board should fight this 401k excuse
for retirement all you can. Get your retirement
under contract. Don't let people like Jerry
convince you that putting your money in a 401k
or investing your social security in the stock
market is the way to go. It's just another
way for businesses to wipe you out.

posted 01-11- 05:06 PM               

Smokey, anyone or any plan which invests in only one company deserves to fail.

posted 01-12- 08:14 AM               

The fund is funded by so many cents put in
it for each man hour worked by the people in
the plan group. This amount is paid by the
company and is negotitated. If the fund makes
money, after expenses, the company is not
required to pay anything into it. The company
has not had to pay anything into it in several
years.

The money, I assume, is diversely invested
and invested wisley. This is evedenced by
the fund making money every year. If poor
investments lead to a loss then the company
has to start putting money into it. It would
take a total crash of the stock market and
my former company going bancrupt for me to
lose my retirement.

The company has the incentive to not squander
this money because they will have to make it
up and start paying into the fund. The union,
of course, has the incentive to see that the
fund is administered properly because of
legal requirements and their reputation with
their members.

I ask you, is the above plan better than investing
the money yourself through a 401k? Many times
the choices with a 401k are limited at best,
or even restricted to investing in the company
you work for.

My money is invested in America also. Just
as much as anyone with a 401k, only a hell
of a lot safer.

posted 01-12- 04:11 PM               

1. Working 30 years in a dead-end mind-numbing brain dead job.

2. Working 30 years in a confrontational environment where you are expected to distrust and hate your employer.

3. Working 30 years where self-initiative and performance have no bearing on your future, and in fact are discouraged. Only seniority counts.

4. Working 30 years where the best performer in a job earns exactly the same as the mediocre performer.

5. Having a retirement plan that is not portable. You lose it if you change companies and/or unions. What is the vesting schedule of your plan?

6. Your benefits are locked-in no matter how well the investments do.

7. You have no say-so in how your money is invested.

Yes Smokey, if someone wants to give up their workplace freedoms for retirement security then going with a Union contract defined benefit plan may be best for them. Fortunately, most Americans don't view their jobs this way. They want to "earn" their way, not be "taken care of" like a child. (Although liberals are trying desperately to change that perception by the American public). That is why fewer than 10% of American private sector workers are in Unions and the number gets smaller each year as Unionized industries die off, because they can't compete due to stifling union restrictions on work rules and automation. Why do you think your UAW membership is so low compared with 40 years ago, or Steelworkers? Why do you think Unions are unable to organize the new industries like high-tech and services where the job growth is?