posted 10-22- 07:52 AM            

So-- where are the loadout ppf's you installed? Did you add all the new weapons to the correct place? Did you add the correct lines to your startup.ppf? These are the types of info I need in order to help you. Feel free to e-mail me all this and I will get you settled with it

I never imagined so many problems as I am getting-- so I hope to help every single one of you having problems as I hate to see this work wasted....my e-mail is:

Jeeves64@earthlink.net

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posted 10-22- 08:55 PM               

Let us know how you get on and we'll go from there

posted 10-24- 02:02 PM               

First of all everything runs fine with the new (1.5.2.9 mission-editor), so no problems here!

What I did:
1. Copy of aircraft folder
2. unziped EVERYTHING into the right place
(checkes a billion times)
3. added the lines to the startup file
(checkes a billion times)
4. Now the 'old' mission-editor gives me a '..internal error' thingie (the new one works, as mentioned earliert)
5. I copy back my old aircraft folder and everything works fine

So it has to do with the new patch!
Question: Are these new loadouts compatible with the old stuff??? If you can say NO ...well than everything is clear..if you're not sure...well you've a problem
The reason why I'm using the old mission-editor is quite simple: The DMC doesn't like the new one ....or viceversa

posted 10-24- 03:23 PM               

It has nothing to do with the 1.5.2.9 version of the Mission-Editor. The only difference betwen the old and the new one is that the new one can handle more/biger loadout files and, because of that, crashes later!
What I've done now to fix the problem:
Deleted every 'useles' information out of the loadout files (took me a little ), like history and that stuff in italian, french, etc....this reduced dramaticaly the overal size of my loadout files ..E VOILA it works! No more weird text into the mission-editor and no more crashes and I've about 119 folders in /media/aircaft !

Hope this little bit of information can help someone else with the same troubles

posted 10-24- 05:42 PM            

Possibly in getting the 2 extra bomb bays working, the turret may have been affected....will get someone to look into it

posted 10-24- 07:26 PM               

When you say you went in and deleted a bunch of useless info from your loadouts--what exactly are your talking about. Are you talking about removing lines from your startup.ppf file or something else? That sounds like it might work for me also--and since I'm a little dense (alright--very dense) I'm not quite sure what you are referring to when you say you removed a bunch of unnecessary loadouts--where from exactly?

Jeeves--you are too hard on yourself--I don't think you've done anything wrong at all with the way you've packaged these new realistic loadouts. Personally- I think a lot of our SDOE folders have just gotten incredibly bloated with all sorts of stuff that I can't even remember where it came from and what is needed. Makes it scary to remove or delete stuff that isn't necessary if everything seems to be working and matching online. So--when these new loadouts started causing me problems--before I perform surgery on my media folder--I thought it would be best to simply find out what's going on with this new loadout zip. I personally really truly appreciate the work you and others have put into this game and am more than willing to deal with having to troubleshoot sometimes.

Would hate to see you pull the plug on this great addition due to discouragement. We'll figure this all out I'm sure.

posted 10-24- 09:41 PM               

I understand what you did, pruning out the text...AQ, it is all the descriptive stuff at the beginning of each loadout. I'd still guess, if we removed just one set of loads from the Data par file they are in, this would fix the current problem. I am not sure that anyone is even using Spoons' loads online now, so perhaps if someone could remove them and make a test par file, we could check it and confirm that is the problem. I could try, but it would mean finding the tools again...if anyone has them already, maybe they could do it? Please?

posted 10-25- 03:49 AM               

Ok here's a step by step what I've done:
1. This goes for EVERY loadout.ppf file that you found in EVERY folder inside media\airplane (Example: Media\aircraft\Bf110\loadout.ppf)
2. Open up this file (startup.ppf) with an editor, like notepad.
3. Delete all this 'information' stuff!
Example: OLD: angUS (
descStats "GUI/Art/Hangar/Germany/Bf110/stats.bmp"
descText "The Bf-110 Zerstorer was designed in 1934 to meet a request from the Luftwaffe for a strategic long-range fighter. The Bf-110 was too sluggish and not manoeuvrable enough to hold its own a..........")
NEW: angUS (descStats "GUI/Art/Hangar/Germany/Bf110/stats.bmp" descText ""

PLUS: You can (if you're using the English version like I do) delete all the other languages like langFrench (
descStats ""
)
langGerman (
descStats "GUI/Art/Hangar/Germany/Bf110/statsGerman.bmp"
descText ""
)
langItalian (
descStats "GUI/Art/Hangar/Germany/Bf110/statsItalian.bmp"
descText ""
)

Attention!!!!!!!! Be carefull alway have a look at the '(' and the ')' they should match, that means for every '(' you should find a ')'.

That's all I've done! I didn't delete any loadouts, like guns or the like...only the history of the plane!

hope this helps

posted 10-25- 11:58 AM               

The principle is still the same - if you have PP6.0 and 6.1, there are alreay 2 'sets' of loadouts; add these and the loadout file sizes are too big for the original misisons, for some reason. One can do as you did - delete the extraneous text, thus reducing the file size - or try deleting or adding one at a time to see where the problem starts. Your way allowed you to keep all the new loads...my way just gives me those I will use, to test. In the end, we accomplished the same thing - got it working with the old missions.

posted 10-25- 03:08 PM               

Not sure whether to just remove loadouts on aircraft I never fly (probably go that route) or try reducing unnecessary info in the loadout.ppf files as gt recommends.

Just got home from work and when I get some free time--I'll get to work and let you fellas know if my problem gets fixed too.

Thanks again.

posted 10-25- 07:45 PM            

GUI/Art/Hangar/Germany/Bf110/stats.bmp

will mess with your hanger file so when you go into the game's Hanger section, there won't be anything there for those planes....now if you don't ever go into the Hanger, then no foul

But I am wary about just going in ans deleting stuff.

The best thing would be to redo the loadout par file as nealg said.....I am willing to do it, but with Maury and Bryan possibly working out having the rounds not do damage when fired from far away, I figured it would be best to wait a bit for this.

Also-- making that new parfile would make your online standard null and void...although if you have a separate install or a separate aircraft folder like nealg, then this seems a good solution.

posted 10-26- 01:56 PM               

Unfortunately I deleted the foreign language text from the loadouts and find I deleted too much in some of them, so I don't know when a loadout doesn't work if it's due to my excessive deletions or this training mission bug.