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Topic: Help please
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Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-18- 09:11 AM
Hi all, Just got the game today and have followed the install steps on several sites all's going well except for when i patch to FS_PATCH_1.5.2.9 I choose openGL @1600*1200 with 1024 textures and the game CTD's on the splash screen when i have choosen anything. I have changed the resolution and the texture size but it still the same but it's fine in D3D any ideas? Also can I enable 1024 texture without the new patch? Spec: T-Bird 1400 512mb ram geforce 256 ddr etc Thanks Godfrey IP: Logged |
Vmartini Pilot
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posted 08-18- 09:17 AM
graphics card might not be Open GLIP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-18- 09:23 AM
Hi Vmartini, The card is an openGL compatible card as I run several games in openGL and there fine, any other ideas as i'm now stumped. IP: Logged |
jedi Pilot
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posted 08-18- 11:32 AM
You might see if there is an updated driver available for your vidcard. I was getting a CTD any time I tried to use OpenGL for a while, and then one day it just worked. In between I had tried a bunch of different drivers, and there had been a couple of patch updates, so I don't know what did the trick tho...Try setting, say, 640x480 res in OpenGL, and if it works, work your way back up to a better resolution. FWIW I don't really see much of an improvement with Open GL over D3D, and I read where the patch team is putting some D3D improvements in the next version...
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Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-18- 11:49 AM
Hi Jedi, I have the latest drivers and it don't work @640*480 but if you don't think it's worth it I won't bother but what about textures 512 and 1024 can those be used without this patch? I see there is a new line in the ini that says maxtexture=1024 shall i just add that. Godfrey IP: Logged |
Jerry Pilot
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posted 08-18- 12:01 PM
Godfrey, you need the patch to display the hi-res textures. If your option screen shows the 512 and 1024 texture choices you probably have the patch installed correctly. Do the other patch features work? Like doppler? If so the problem probably isn't with the patch but with your card. Double check with the manufacturer and be sure it supports OpenGL. You say you are running other games in OpenGL but it is possible that even if you checked OpenGL for them that the game defaulted to D3D when your card didn't support OpenGL. Just some thoughts. Edit: Also, in you are using nVidia drivers I have found that SDOE runs better using 6.5 rather than the latest 12.41. Sometimes the latest drivers aren't necessisarily the best for older games. I get better Mark2000 scores also with 6.5, but Mark2000 runs tests only D3D. [This message has been edited by Jerry (edited 08-18-2001).] IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-18- 12:07 PM
Hi Jerry, Thanks for the reply, my card does support openGL but I don't know what doppler is to check it can you tell me how to check this please. Godfrey IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-18- 12:24 PM
Quick update,The patch CTD's with opengl d3d and software  So reinstalled the patch, still broke. IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-19- 03:30 AM
Update #2Completely uninstalles fdoe and deleted the directory. reinstalled and added 1.5 patch then added the new patch ran it up, choose default settings and it don't WORK. CTD's before the splash loading screen. Godfrey IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-20- 06:22 AM
Anyone?IP: Logged |
wakeup tailgunner JAG
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posted 08-20- 08:38 AM
So...just to make sure I understand what you are doing / have done  1) game installed, plus patch 1.5.9 2) Game starts and you can access the options? Or are you editing the ini file to change settings etc. 3) The CTD happens when you try to run a mission. Do you see the loading screen for the mission at all? If not, I had a similar crash when the OpenGL renderer was released prior to bug squashing. Start mission...black screen....then it just sat there. The CTD may be linked to OpenGL, but if you get a CTD with D3D and software mode, then the problem SHOULDN'T be there! What mission are you running, and what plane are you flying? I suggest you go back to basics, and run a few checks at each step. Uninstall, and remove all trace of the current install. Install the game, and patch to 1.5. Do not install the 1.5.9 patch Run the game and check what works. If all is well, then move on! Install the 1.5.9 patch and run the same settigns that worked before. DO NOT change the renderer. If that works, try changing the resolutions, and check again. FInally, if all has worked so far, try swappign the renderer. If nothing else, this should tell you what step in the cahin caused things to break. Just use the same mission all the way through, so you eliminate that possibility. Post back and let me know how you got on. Once we know WHAT is causign the problem, a solution should be easy enough to pin down  IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-20- 10:24 AM
Hi wakeup tailgunner I have done a fresh install with 1.5 and the game is fine when i apply the patch which i have in it's own directory and run any mission any plane the game crashes before it gets to the splash screen it just drops to the desktop every time.I have no idea what's causing the crash i have even tried the d3d renderer from the 1.5 patch by renaming it and using that but exactly the same. Godfrey IP: Logged |
wakeup tailgunner JAG
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posted 08-20- 01:05 PM
The patch should be extracted to the Fighter Squadron root dorectory ( wherever you have it ) and you then runn App instead of the FighterSquadron exe file. If you extracted the patch to a seperate directory, that might explain the problem. Just a thought. I take it also, that you can get at all the options, it crashes when you hit the 'fly mission' button. This seems to indicate that the game cannot find all the plane and terrain data. IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-20- 01:42 PM
Update #3 I took your advice and installed the patch to the root of SDOE and tried again, still crashing just as the splash screen is about to load. I get all options screens and plane and mission selections but I did notice since I moved the files to the root that I now have a message in the bottom left saying the patch revision, that wasn't there before the move. IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-20- 02:04 PM
Update #4Just reinstalled the whole lot, patched to 1.5 and then the new patch in the root of SDOE and it's still the same CTD's when i click fly  IP: Logged |
wakeup tailgunner JAG
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posted 08-20- 02:08 PM
hmmmm.....small progress, but we haven't cracked it yet.....The good news is that the patch has definitely installed o.k. now I am stuck..... The game works fine, runs with no problems patched to 1.5 Missions are o.k. game runs, and all the old options are there. On the bright side, you can play the game  Then you extract the patch zip to your SDOE directory and no missions will run. Hit 'fly mission' and you get an instant CTD whatever renderer and resolution / mission / plane combo you choose..... It should be simply a case of extracting the 1.5.9 zip to fighter squadron directory....and then run App instead of SDemons... AAAaaarrgh..I am at a loss what to suggest.
Does the screen with terrain, targets, cities, etc. appear at all, or do you CTD before any of the 'ticks' appear? If you are still stumped, can you mail me a screenshot ( jpg) of your file layout, so I can double check everything is where it should be? Print screen in Windows Explorer, and mail it as a JPG file. If your file structure is o.k. then it must be an incompatability somewhere else!!!!!!
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Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-20- 02:21 PM
I will email you a screen grab now."Does the screen with terrain, targets, cities, etc. appear at all, or do you CTD before any of the 'ticks' appear?" NO it crashes at that point just when the splash screen would appear. IP: Logged |
Vahnatai Pilot
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posted 08-20- 02:26 PM
godfrey...have you d/led and of the user created planes? if u r trying to use them, u outta know that some planes require u to add lines to the startup.ppf...what u r describing sounds like symptoms of missing airfoil listings to me...IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-20- 02:37 PM
Vahnatai I thought that might be the case so in the last 2 installs I didn't load any planes just the game and the 2 patches.IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-21- 02:42 AM
wakeup tailgunner Any joy?
Sorry adout the typo in my reply, i wasn't shouting no just left my finger on the shift key. IP: Logged |
Da Jug head Pilot
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posted 08-21- 09:05 AM
Godfrey,Did you copy the sdemons.ini, and keyboard.inp file to the patch directory? A couple of misconceptions here. 1) the patch does NOT have to be in Fighter Squadron root directory 2) If it crashes as soon as it appears, then something in the terrain file is causing the CTD. Can you still run it under 1.5? Good news, the patch installer is now being worked on- this should get rid of these problems. IP: Logged |
wakeup tailgunner JAG
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posted 08-21- 10:54 AM
Da Jug....this is what has me stumped...Installed and patched to 1.5, it all runs fine. It is just when the 1.5.9 patch goes in that everything crashes. Is it possible that the patch has got scrambled when Godfrey downloaded it? I would have thought that if the setup worked before the .9 patch, then terrain etc. should be fine. Running it in D3D under the patch or even software mode, the game shouldn't behave differently under the .9 patch ? Not with stock planes anyhow. I had some problems with OpenGL on the early releases, but 1.5.9 has been rock steady stable for me fom day one. IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-21- 02:17 PM
Hi guys, I'm going to D/L it again and try,but it all installed ok, but it's got to be worth a try. I'll let you know how i get on  IP: Logged |
Da Jug head Pilot
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posted 08-21- 09:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by wakeup tailgunner: Da Jug....this is what has me stumped...Is it possible that the patch has got scrambled when Godfrey downloaded it?
Yes, this is highly possible, if you look thru these helps someone had a major problem with another large add-on and it turns out it was screwed up during download, yet the CRC check didn't catch it. IP: Logged |
Godfrey Cadet
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posted 08-22- 01:43 AM
Update #5 D/L the patch again. Fresh install of the game. Patched to 1.5 and checked the game and ran fine. Applied the new patch, have all the options screens etc when I click fly CTD.  I guess thats that then Thanks for all the help guys but it won't have it. Godfrey IP: Logged |