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Rendsburger
Pilot
posted 04-21- 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rendsburger   Click Here to Email Rendsburger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have special combat tactics, example
Me109 vs Spits or P51 vs Focke Wulfs or fighter vs Bomber tactics?
I want to increase my skill!!!

Rendsburger

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Jeeves
JAG
posted 04-21- 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heya bro....

You will probably get a better response if I move this to the Help section...

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Nat
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posted 04-21- 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the JAGs gettin trigger happy huh? LMAO

Here you go Ren, have the topic back lol

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Jeeves
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posted 04-22- 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well geez Rend...now I feel bad....I'll give you what I know

Historically, the 109 was better than the Spit in many ways--- the opposition between them reminds me of that between the German and Allied planes of WWI-- with one side replacing their planes with a better version, then the other side trying to match and beat that, etc...

In life, the Spit could best the 109 in a turning climb and did much better in a turn fight than the 109...but any self-respecting 109 pilot knew this and never entered into that turn fight. The 109 also had a great escape tactic- a negative G dive-- the Spit following in that move would always sputter as the fuel was cut momentarily from the engine.

The 109 could outclimb and outdive the Spit- and it was faster and depending on the variant- better armed. The Spit 1a's relied on more guns rather than heavy guns-- with it's 8 .303's, it could put out many bullets in a small amount of time.

The 109 early variants had fuselage MG's behind the prop and wing cannons- so it would take many shots to knock down a Spit...later variants moved the cannon to the inside of the hub....so again-- very concentrated fire versus a wide spread of fire for the Spit.

So in a 109--- just don't get caught in a turn fight....and in a Spit-- try to turn and watch out for those negative G dives.

P-51's and 190's.....

Well-- the 190 overcame many of the shortcomings of the 109-- and kept many of its strengths-- great climber, diver, and turner. The P-51 was more maneuverable though and at times faster.

Bombers vs fighters.... well it depends on the bomber and fighter Every bomber had it's blind spot and that is where you attacked it--- like the Lanc before it's belly turret-- attack from underneath...etc....the Fort and Liberator were a bit more difficult to attack-- the LW did head-on attacks until the B-17G came out with it's chin turret, then high side diving attacks were popular...

OK...I am a piss-poor ACM person, but I can usually hold my own in a game. There are many here who are much better than I at this, but they aren't posting LOL

Try Tailslide's site-- I think he has some ACM tactics....or just e-mail him

http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/ww2art.asp

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Rendsburger
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posted 04-22- 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rendsburger   Click Here to Email Rendsburger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seams whe have a new home for this posting .LOL.

Jeeves,
thanks for your answer,
i played some offline missions during the last days, the only thing i found out to win with the Me109 or FW190 against the P51 is full speed and watch in witch direction the Mustang brake off and then pull the stick to the opposite direction, before i want to increase the distance for min 4000ft.Now i made a hard turn and watch for the enemy.This procedure goes on a few times,until i get an better angle to the P51 and then flaps down,now i sit a few seconds behind him,the only chance i have now is fire,before he brake.If i don´t hit him or not hard enough i set to full speed,flaps up and whe have the procedure again... The importand thing i know is to have enough speed and never try to an infight against the Mustang, if i try this out, i will loose.
Maybe i should try out to use diving and climbing more than now. But since PP6 the Mustang is a killer! I never had so much problems to fight against the Mustang or from the other site it was never so simple to shoot down a german fighter before PP6.
And i found it also to hard to fight against the Spits, i don´t feel that i have any advantages with the Me against the Spits.Anyway,it´s more bullriding then flying if you sit in the Me109E or F and i fought more with my own plane then against the Spit.LOL
I should try out to fly online.Then whe have a new JG "Cannonfodder" ;-)

Rendsburger

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UNGLÜCKSRABE
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posted 05-16- 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for UNGLÜCKSRABE   Click Here to Email UNGLÜCKSRABE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will post some info in the near future.

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Himdog
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posted 05-16- 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Himdog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rends, you really need to go to LWN and ask that question in our Private area. The one thing I saw you do this past weekend at the SW in the Dover mission was that you are too low when enaging the enemy. You also shouldn't feel like you are "Bullriding" when in the Bf 109s, the E and F are great planes. One other thing is you got to stick with us and not fly on your own, which I think you found out the hard way. Another tip is get RW so we can talk when in the mission.

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Snake
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posted 05-16- 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snake   Click Here to Email Snake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well the thing is you could find tactics that were used well in RW not work at all in SDOE.
Also the DM are all screwy, ie. diving from the sun you should be able to shoot down a Spitfire or Hurricane with a quick burst. This doesn't happen in SDOE. You need a good few well placed cannon rounds to damage a Spit.

Anywau just boom and zoom with the 109's, nothing better than slowly turning downwards to see a Mustang stalling over. Then you fly down behind it while its totally slow and not moving and blast it to pieces. Now in real life one pass and its dead no matter what but I think 3 would be needed in SDOE.

So basically SDOE requires its own ACM to some extent.

Snake

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Loco
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posted 05-16- 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loco   Click Here to Email Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Rendsburger,

For a lot of tips look here: http://members.home.com/mefletcher/acm.html
or http://members.home.com/mefletcher/index.html
And if you want I have one zip with one tutorial of Air Warrior Game that explain the goods and bads of each plane...There were a lot of planes in AWIII.

Loco

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