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Snake
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posted 12-12- 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snake   Click Here to Email Snake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know when you build up enough speed and yank back on the stick the wings bend and break off? Isn't this caused by pulling too many G's?
Well how come the bend up and not down? Shouldn't the G's push the wings down?

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Sunray
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posted 12-12- 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunray   Click Here to Email Sunray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is it's because air has mass and you're pushing the wings against it when you pull up fast. Then physics takes over and rips off your wing. The same feeling can be experienced when you stick your arm out the window of a moving vehicle.(NOT when you're driving!) Keep you hand flat and even(fly it) then quickly turn it verticle. Your hand goes back. Same thing happens to a wing.

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Mighty
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posted 12-12- 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mighty   Click Here to Email Mighty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think about what's causing the G forces. It's not as if the plane is sitting still and everything is getting heavier. It's also not caused by the speed alone. The G forces are caused by the plane changing direction.

How does a plane change direction? You increase the angle of attack of the wing hitting the air and the plane flies around the turn.

So what part of the plane actually causes the turn? It's the wings. The wings pull the plane around the turn and the fuselage is basically pulled along. The wings pull up and the fuselage hangs from them.

So when the structure fails the fuselage keeps going fairly straight and the wings flutter behind it. From the cockpit it looks like the wings pulled up. A better description would be that the fuselage fell off the wings.

Does that make sense?

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jedi
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posted 12-13- 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jedi   Click Here to Email jedi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "up" lift force is pretty much only generated by the wings, and it acts through a point called the "center of pressure" on each wing.

Meanwhile, most of the "dead weight" in the airplane is concentrated in the fuselage. When you pull, say, 6 G, the fuselage literally weighs 6X what it weighed in level flight. The wings, meanwhile, are producing lift in excess of that weight, or you'd just plow into the ground and not pull out of your dive. That lift acts through a point out on the wings, thus giving a lever arm and twisting moment (up) to the wings.

Balance a yardstick on top of two coffee cups. Put the cups 12 inches from each end. Those are the lift vectors. Now put a book (the fuselage) in the middle of the yardstick. That's "1G." Put on a second book. 2G. Keep stacking books in the middle of the yardstick. However many you put on, the cups exert that much "lift" force up. What's the yardstick look like with 8 books on it?

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