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PeteHawk
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posted 11-17- 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeteHawk   Click Here to Email PeteHawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A "meteor's-eye view" shows how Earth will be oriented for the first expected peak of the Leonid shower on November 18, 2001, at about 5 a.m. EST (2 a.m. PST). That's when dynamicists predict that Earth will encounter the most dense region of particles released by Comet Tempel-Tuttle. While the entire hemisphere will experience the shower, meteors will only be visible in the nighttime region on the left. Sky & Telescope illustration. Click on image for larger view.


A new analysis of past Leonid activity suggests that next weekend's much-anticipated event may bring skywatchers in North America their most dramatic meteor "storm" in 35 years. This last-minute prediction comes from meteor specialist Peter Jenniskens (SETI Institute and NASA/Ames Research Center), whose analysis will appear in the October issue of WGN, the journal of the International Meteor Organization.

Dust shed by Comet Tempel-Tuttle creates a stream of debris along its orbit, and we see a burst of meteors each November when Earth crosses the comet's path. But meteor specialists have known for decades that narrow, concentrated ribbons of dust lie embedded within the stream. The challenge has been to determine where exactly these dense strands lie after centuries of being nudged around by planetary perturbations and other forces. As described by Joe Rao in Sky & Telescope's November issue, two teams of dynamicists predict that a strong Leonid display will be seen from North America in the predawn hours of November 18th, and that a more spectacular show awaits Australia and eastern Asia about 8 hours later.

But Jenniskens argues that it's the other way around, with North America getting the best show — culminating in half-hour-long outburst of 2,000 meteors (for observers with dark, clear skies) centered at 5:09 a.m. Eastern time. His predicted rate for North America is five times that calculated by David Asher (Armagh Observatory) and Robert McNaught (ANU/Siding Spring Observatory). Australia and Asia should still experience a great display, Jenniskens adds, but at levels roughly half of that for North America.

Jenniskens' analysis differs from the others' because he relies heavily on careful counts of recent Leonid meteors showers alongside other historical records. In doing so he finds that the narrowest, most dense debris streams have been shifted slightly toward the Sun over time. Thus, he argues, the comet's 1866 dust trail, which will dominate the Australia/Asia display, lies farther from Earth's orbit than the other teams calculate. Conversely, the 1767 stream, which North America will experience, should skirt closer to us than expected. These shifts may occur because the escaping particles are being shot out into space by a strong gas-powered jet on Tempel-Tuttle's nucleus, like one observed in early 1998.

Reaction to Jenniskens' assessment from the competing modelers has been guarded. "Peter has done good work in getting and analysing the observations, and his theoretical studies are quite important," says Finnish dynamicist Esko Lyytinen. "However, I think that his conclusions for the shifts are not quite correct." McNaught believes that Jenniskens is on thin ice by equating the apparent rise and fall of an observed shower with the distribution of dust within a trail. Ultimately, next week's display will decide who's right and who's wrong, since each of the four models predicts distinctly different results.

— J. Kelly Beatty

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 11-18- 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

THanks for the reminder
I think I will have to stay up playing metal gear solid 2 to wait for 5am.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 11-18- 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Well its 4:20 here and I was totally hyped but its completely overcast.

Sucks ass.

Guess I'll head for bed.

Let me know if it was as good as predicted.

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Vahnatai
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posted 11-18- 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vahnatai   Click Here to Email Vahnatai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol..i cant even see the stars where i am..much less meteors

[This message has been edited by Vahnatai (edited 11-18-2001).]

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Jeeves
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posted 11-18- 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just got back in.....pretty awe-inspiring!! I counted about 135 in one hour. And those were just the ones I saw Lining in the country, and near the highest point in the couty has its advantages! There were some that had 2-3 explosions before flickering out Made some big flashes....

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PeteHawk
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posted 11-18- 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeteHawk   Click Here to Email PeteHawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We counted over 300 here in the desert of Southern California. Just spectacular. By far the best meteor shower I've ever witnessed.

In one 2 second period I saw 8! Usually thought they were in bursts of 3 or 4. But it was crazy, like every 10 seconds you'd see several. What fun, it was well worth the sore neck I now have. And just now, at 3:53 Pacific time I counted 8 more, running outside to see if it was still "on." I guess it is.

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Maury Markowitz
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posted 11-18- 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Spanky the Mad Dog:
Well its 4:20 here and I was totally hyped but its completely overcast.

Hey, are you in Toronto? Same thing here.

Maury

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Sv
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posted 11-18- 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sv   Click Here to Email Sv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very cold and clear here... saw many great ones with good bright streaks and nice visable smoke trail. I could still see them after the sky was lighitng for dawn... even when the stars were gone

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 11-19- 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

MM, I'm in North Bay, a couple hours north of ya, if you don't recognize North Bay, Sudbury is our closest major city.

So disapointing, I was even going to try some photos.

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Aladar
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posted 11-19- 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aladar   Click Here to Email Aladar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We saw it last night. In Texas it was overcast, but my dad had a plan as always. We left at 12:00 and drove for 3 hours, left Benbrook and went PAST Abiline (about 200 miles) and found a nice hole in the sky. And unbelievebly it stayed a hole for the whole 1-2 hours. As my dad pointed out, it wasn't a "sucker hole" as many were in the Air Force. It was quite a show. Many of the meteors seemed to have exploded in air, or pockets of gas exploded and left long lasting Ion trails. 'Twas a great show.

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PeteHawk
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posted 11-19- 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeteHawk   Click Here to Email PeteHawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I got home and went to bed, I actually looked out my window until dawn and saw many more, even though it was a small area of sky. Just so cool. I'll never forget the awesome show, it was well worth the price of admission. :P

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