|
Author
|
Topic: All my computer problems solved!! Also need some help...
|
ArgonV
JAG
|
posted 11-16- 11:02 AM
   
Remember all the trouble I was having? Data corruption, blue screens of death, Illegle Operations, CTDs, etc... Well its all fixed for sure this time!  Turns out the CPU was bad for one reason or the other... It either over-heated and died, or when my power supply went, it took the CPU with it. Now that really pisses me off!!!!  But I got a new one, popped her in and reinstalled everything and all is well! Except of course the 40 GB hard drive I bought was a dud (Keeps on telling me that its a ATA33 in the EZBIOS setup) so its going back to Western Digital. I then bought a 30 Gig Western Digital that works just fine! Now another question if you will: I bought the 1.2 Gig Athlon CPU with a 266 FSB. My mother boards jumper settings are such that you multiply two numbers togehter to get the Mhz of the CPU. Well those two numbers are 100 (The FSB speed) and 10 (Clock multiple?) Now the board I have can do 266 FSB, but the jumpers dont seem to allow for it!  Any ideas?? I have an ASUS A7V133 board w/o sound. Thanks guys! IP: Logged |
Lothar
Pilot
|
posted 11-16- 11:26 AM
I like the idea of fast, cheap Athlons, but I gotta wonder how many hours people usually have to spend getting their AMD/VIA systems working reliably. I know I've spent at least 30 hours between various compatibility problems (mostly VIA problems, but what choice do we have?)I guess its just something for people to do - I used to spend a lot of time on my car, going to the junkyard, tweaking the timing, etc. Now I try and get my RAID card working in Win2K.  IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
|
posted 11-16- 12:45 PM
Argon, you can change the multiplier from BIOS. I have the same chip and MB. The max multiplier is 12.5 which gives you 1250 mhz. The max stable bus speed I can get 103 which gives me 1.3+ mhz.Be careful when working in BIOS. To get into it just hit Del key while booting. If you haven't done this before (and you're not adventuresome) it's best to have someone with you the first time who knows what they are doing. IP: Logged |
ArgonV
JAG
|
posted 11-16- 02:38 PM
Yes Ive messed with the BIOS plenty of times! I just dont want to blow another CPU...  So you are saying I should set the bus speed to 103? How come I cant set it to 133? (Which doubled gives me 266, the advertised FSB of my CPU...) Should I just keep it at 100 to lengthen my CPUs life? IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
|
posted 11-16- 03:08 PM
All I can say is that above 103 my system became unstable. You can try higher, but I would advise doing so in small increments. I think it has to do with the CPU. Just because your MB has a 266 bus doesn't mean the chip can support that speed. The 266 FSB is a board number, not a chip number, I think. Just a guess. I'm not a guru, I just experiment a lot (and get burned too ). Hopefully, someone more knowledgible will jump in here.IP: Logged |
ArgonV
JAG
|
posted 11-16- 03:50 PM
Ah I see... Anyone else then??IP: Logged |
mposis
Pilot
|
posted 11-16- 08:21 PM
for 1.2 ghz you should set the bus speed to 133 and the multiplier to 9.IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
|
posted 11-16- 09:45 PM
Cool mposis, I assume that would be better than 12.0 X 100 since it puts less strain on the CPU (as long as you have the bus and memory to support 133)?Would performance be the same in both instances? IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
Pilot
|
posted 11-16- 10:49 PM
mposis is right, if you have a 266 chip then use the 133 FSB setting. Jerry, maybe you don't have pc133 ram? If you have the ram for it and the chip for it and the board then it should run at 133 Hell alot of guys are running it at 150 and more. I'm running DDR ram pc 2100 (or 266) but I don't run it at that speed cause I don't overclock and i'm only running a duron 750. Its still nice and fast ram though even underclocked.
IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
|
posted 11-16- 11:47 PM
I have 133 ram Spanky. I have fooled with the BIOS settings before and find that my system is unstable or won't boot if I OC beyond 1340 mhz with my 1200 mhz chip, no matter what combination of multiplier/bus speed. That's why I asked if higher bus and lower chip cycle is better than vice versa. I can run at a 12.5 multiplier and 103 bus or a 10.0 multiplier and a 134 bus and no problems. Or any variation in between as long the the total mhz doesn't exceed 1340. Since I can't go any higher in mhz I'm trying to find out which extreme is best. I'm guessing the lower multiplier and higher bus. Any thoughts? IP: Logged |
ArgonV
JAG
|
posted 11-17- 12:10 PM
mposis, you are wrong about that setting... If I do that and hit the reset button, the BIOS comes up and tells my I either have the wrong RAM speed or CPU speed.  IP: Logged |
Nat
JAG
|
posted 11-17- 12:49 PM
You are always better running a higher FSB than multiplyer, if your system is fine at 10x FSB134 then that is best to use as your CPU and RAM have a higher bandwidth.I'm running with an FSB of 112mhz on my Duron/PC133 ram (need a new m/b to overclock more than that) Generaly speaking the RAM will hold back your overclocking, that is ofcourse aslong as you know and tried all the CPU overclocking tips, but if your unstable above 103mhz then that sounds like the RAM is stopping you. IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
Pilot
|
posted 11-18- 12:22 AM
ArgonV, the 9x133 is the right setting.
Are you sure your using PC133 ram?
IP: Logged |
ArgonV
JAG
|
posted 11-18- 12:41 AM
Ok I think I got it figured out!!!!!! The mother board doesnt like "Jumper Free" mode with the 133 and 9 settings... So I switched to the jumper mode and its all now totally configed thru the mother boards jumpers and dip switches. Its now set at 133 and 9 and running perfectly with no problems. Thanks for all the info guys!! IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
|
posted 11-18- 01:25 AM
Argon, if you're interested in overclocking, jump it to 133 and 10. I did and have no problems. Remember, I have the same CPU and MB you do.IP: Logged |
ArgonV
JAG
|
posted 11-18- 02:08 AM
AMDs are overclocked as it is... I want life, not extra power at this point. Plus my box is hot enough as it is!  IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
Pilot
|
posted 11-18- 03:45 AM
LOL
Lots of guys run their chips way past rated speed with the Athlons and durons, I would by my board doesn't support OCing unless I want to upgrade my bios to a beta OC bios. IP: Logged |
Nat
JAG
|
posted 11-18- 09:14 AM
Realy though, AMDs don't come overclocked to start with, the reason they are so much faster than P4's is that an AMD can carry out more instructions per cycle than a P4 can, not because the CPU is stressed, if anything you would sooner say that a P4 is over stressed because it's having to use much high mhz to do the same job an Athlon would, the only CPU's that were ever overclocked by the manufacturer were the old Cyrix CPUs, like the Cyrix 200+ which realy was on it's limit, overclock it and you were looking at certain death LOL But AMD have so much in reserve before you hit problems, thats why they are so easy to overclock upto anything around a 20% increase depending on your system and cpu revision.IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
|
posted 11-18- 12:29 PM
Yeah, heat is a worry Argon. Are you using the Asus Probe utility that comes on your CD? You can monitor cpu and mb temperatures with it (along with a lot of other things). I also put a couple extra fans (intake & exhaust) in my box so heat is never a problem even with the OC. There is already a fan on the CPU, one on my video card, one on the MB and one in the power supply so that makes six fans. Should do the job. IP: Logged |
mposis
Pilot
|
posted 11-18- 02:35 PM
I think Jerry's CPU is unlocked so he can set the multiplier to any number he wants.Most Athlons are locked so it will not work if the multiplier is wrong. Higher bus speed with lower multiplier has better performance because the memory is running faster. The problem is other parts like memory, video cards, sound cards, and others may not work since their speed is tied to a fraction of the bus speed. IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
|
posted 11-18- 02:43 PM
Yes, in my BIOS I can go as high as a 12.5 multiplier. But like I said, any combination of multiplier/bus speed which totals more than 1340-1350 mhz and I start to have problems. I use Mark2000 to test my stability and it stops and won't run all the tests when I go higher than that.[This message has been edited by Jerry (edited 11-18-2001).] IP: Logged |
Nat
JAG
|
posted 11-18- 07:08 PM
my Duron 900 overclocked to 1008mhz (112/37mhz FSB/PCI bus (224mhz DDR))runs fully loaded at 43 degrees C, thats 20 below reconmended temp and almost 50 below given critical temp (currently 34 degrees). In general an Athlon/Duron should run around 53/55 degrees fully loaded, but lower is always better IP: Logged |
ArgonV
JAG
|
posted 11-18- 07:43 PM
Can you guys use the BIOS to check your temp? If so, what does it say in there for you guys? I have many fans aswell, but I still fear overclocking...IP: Logged |
FSIC Messageboard
UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! 
