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Topic: The 2 minds of the US Government
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Rendsburger
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posted 10-26- 06:20 AM
   
Yesterday i saw on TV News that the US Government made an "aggreement" with the German Bayer AG to buy Cypro for the half price.
Well it wasn´t realy an aggreement,they set Bayer under pressure,because they said if youn don´t sell it cheap to us then whe will produce the pills by ourselfs and whe will no longer accept that Bayer is the patends holder.But remember last year when South Africa wants to get medical against Aids cheaper. It was the US who wouldn´t allow them to produce their own medical pills for a cheap price.
And wasn´t it the US who set Indonesia under pressure a while ago,because they wan´t to produce their own medicals against brain deseases (i didn´t know the correct english name) instead of buying it from a US Company. I hate this $$$fxxxx site of the capitalism. Rendsburger
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Pachy
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posted 10-26- 06:55 AM
Itellectual property is theft.
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Snickers
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posted 10-26- 09:49 AM
Personally, I think Canada had the right idea. (They broke Bayer's patent in that country...)It wansn't an agreement. It was extortion. (Ignoring the fact that Bayer has already made an unbelievable amount of money on the product). What was the extortion? Sell it to us cheaper or we will break the patent also. I would have gone Canada's way, with no discussion. IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 10-26- 10:20 AM
I totally disagree with you Snickers and I live here. Despite what it appears, it's coming to light that that Socialist F**k Alan Rock went to a company he worked for to have the pills made. He didn't just get the job done, he gave tax money to his buddies. He didn't "break" a copyright. He ignored it. Thereby setting a precedent for any other government plug to do the same. We have copyright laws here but that asshole doesn't think the law applies to him.
It sends a message to private industry that says we don't care about the law, international or otherwise. If you have something we want, we'll just take it. Why would any company want to set up business here or do research here or provide jobs here if their patents will be ignored?
If any private company did this they'd be sued from here to Sunday. These Socialist F**ks think there's one law for them and one for everybody else.
In any case, any pills that bastard had made would go to his boss and his cronies first, not the Canadian people.
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Johannes
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posted 10-26- 10:32 AM
hmm, rendsburger,
erwartest du irgendwelche zustimmung von unseren amerikanischen freunden hier??
vielleicht´von jerry oder konsorten?
ich bin deiner meinung ,geld regiert die welt. aber bayer hat einige , muss man schón fast sagen ,"ungeschickte "geschäfte gemacht.
die USA regieren nun mal diese schöne welt.gruss johannes IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
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posted 10-26- 10:50 AM
LOL Sunray! You got to it first! 100% absolutely in agreement with you. I saw a few clips from CPAC where Rock was getting his sorry ass grilled by members of all the opposition parties (the BQ guy was being particularly obnoxious). Watching Rock squirm was enjoyable indeed. Oh well, I suppose almost every other minister in Chretien's government has had a major scandal attributed to them, might as well be Rock's turn. The best was when Apotex waived the 1.5M contract "as a gesture of good faith" towards the government. LMAO, yeah I bet. When was the last time you saw someone voluntarily give up a 1.5M contract. *sniff* *sniff* Ah yes, the reek out of Ottawa is as ripe as always. Werner ------------------
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3dp
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posted 10-26- 11:40 AM
"Rules are rules, but rules are made to be broken."To paraphrase: "Laws are laws, but laws always have exceptions." While I recognize the need for and value of intellectual property and copyright laws, there are times when they become far less important, such as human catastrophes, and make no mistake, the AIDS epidemic in all of Africa, not just South Africa, is a disaster of unimaginable proportions. My (the U.S.) government's (and the pharmaceutical firm's) actions in blocking S.A.'s efforts was morally indefensible. ------------------
Be seeing you,
3dp
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Lothar
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posted 10-26- 01:48 PM
Copywrite and patent exist to "promote progress in the sciences and the arts". Promoting progress is the only justification for protection of intellectual property. Without this justification, there would be no protection from someone copying your ideas.Would getting Cipro at a discount rate due to biowarefare damage progress in science? Are drug companies counting on profits from bioterroism to make thier research worthwhile? IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-26- 03:34 PM
There is one rule for the goverment and one for the people. It has always been that way and will always be that way. They can take anything you own at any time. Just try to stop them. And yes it is 2 faced for the US goverment to do somthing like that based on what you wrote.
I read a great article about a firm in India making drugs to fight aids and such. It was very eye opening. Maybe I'll try to find it again.
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Sv
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posted 10-26- 03:40 PM
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Would getting Cipro at a discount rate due to biowarefare damage progress in science? Are drug companies counting on profits from bioterroism to make thier research worthwhile?
Great point. No, this is a special situation outside of normal capitalism. The government should step in. This is the key point, and it was made well... this is an event outside the system. No one depends on bioterrorism for their bottom line... innovation will not be hurt by just stepping in and doing what needs to be done. IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-26- 04:28 PM
Just to be fair I want to point out that I should have said: It would be 2 faced for ANY goverment to do something like that. (not just the US) Isn't it kinda PC for me to say this though  I don't want to ruffle any feathers IP: Logged |
Snickers
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posted 10-26- 06:11 PM
PLease... Lets not start with the PC again...  IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-26- 07:30 PM
Hehe, sorry if I start it again. Really though I was only restating my point so I didn't ruffle any US feathers and get attacked. And in a way that does seem kinda PC.
So its be PC or be attacked, pretty wacky since most of us say we hate PC.
Something to ponder.
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Lothar
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posted 10-27- 12:22 PM
That's pretty funny, Spanky IP: Logged |
Rendsburger
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posted 10-27- 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Sv:
Great point. No, this is a special situation outside of normal capitalism. The government should step in. This is the key point, and it was made well... this is an event outside the system. No one depends on bioterrorism for their bottom line... innovation will not be hurt by just stepping in and doing what needs to be done.
What is so special about the situation???
How many anthrax cases happened, 13 if i remember rightly .So this is not what threaten the US in the moment.It´s more an hysterie problem now,but look at the millions in africa/asia with aids etc. THATS a real peoblem, but far far away for the most of us. Rendsburger
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Jerry
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posted 10-27- 02:54 PM
The big difference Rend is that there is an inexpensive cure/treatment for Anthrax. When cures for polio and small pox were discovered it was the US which did the most to get them distributed throughout the world. There is no cure for AIDS, but there are preventive measures which, to my understanding, the Africans are ignoring...such as using prophylactics which the US has sent over by the millions. As long as people behave irresponsibly there is nothing anyone, including the US, can do about it. Sorry if this isn't PC. If you have information to contradict it I'll certainly look at it. IP: Logged |
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