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Topic: Warbirds at Risk!
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Hawk
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posted 09-26- 09:22 AM
   
The DOD wants to demiliterize and destroy any military item in personal use. This means warbirds, jeeps, guns, uniforms, flight manuels, anything that was used by the miltary. This means you will never see a P-51 in flight again. You will never get to touch and smell a real B-17. You will have to give up the flight jacket your father left you. Go to http://www.aero-news.net/ and read the news under the P-51 picture to learn what will happen to our heritage if no one stops this bill. Paul www.rcwarbirds.com IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 09-26- 10:33 AM
Wa thats some crazy stuff? What exactly are they trying to accomplish by doing this? Send it all up here  I'll watch it for ya
Really though that is freaking crazy, That could create a huge replica market too.
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semmern
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posted 09-26- 10:46 AM
Pardon the nasty words, but have those suckers lost their f-ing minds? Are they total losers? What the hell do they accomplish by doing that? I can't really imagine anyone bothering to dress up in a bomber jacket, bring their old US Army helmet along, then steal a P-51 to crash into the Empire State Building.[This message has been edited by semmern (edited 09-26-2001).] IP: Logged |
Burkey
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posted 09-26- 11:03 AM
That is just crazy. it will never get through. Does it mean that Flight simulators with regards to realism etc will be hit too?IP: Logged |
Psi
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posted 09-26- 11:03 AM
I can understand the confiscation of certain items like night vision equipment and so call "semi" automatic weapons and flare (actually grenade) launchers. But historic aircraft and memorabilia from previous wars and pass downs from relatives that fought in those wars is bulls**t. Ya have to remember semmern it hasn't anything to do with their f**king minds but the minds of others that has created this bulls**t...P IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
JAG
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posted 09-26- 11:05 AM
On what grounds does the government want to confiscate all this stuff? This proposition is so utterly ludicrous I almost don't believe it. Werner IP: Logged |
Vahnatai
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posted 09-26- 12:54 PM
mother #$^*ing @!*$& god damn *#$&@$&^ $*&#^* *#^$^* ass b*tches....btw i called my senator IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 09-26- 01:33 PM
Psi, what's the difference between a Starlight scope and a P-51? Confiscation is confiscation. You let them change your laws to allow a bunch of civil servants decide what you can have and not have, you might as well move to Canada.
Does anybody have any back ground on this? Not that it affects me right now but the f**king Liberal Party follows everything your idiots do so it could down the road.
Remember that BAFT means Bury All Thy Firearms.IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 09-26- 01:34 PM
PSI, if they wanted to get rid of night vision equipment (and they weren't just after miliary stuff) They would have to remove some sony (and probly other brands) video recorders. A friend brought one over and it has true night vision built in. It blew my mind, I thought when he said it had night vision, it just enhanced what it could see but in pitch black it still works, it emits IR via and IR LED. It even just barly picks up my hand held remote signals. Cool stuff anyways. So does this have anything to do with the terrorist stuff? I'm not thinking so because the article says this has been tried a couple times and has gone through a number of changes. IP: Logged |
Hawk
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posted 09-26- 01:47 PM
The current terrorist attack has nothing to do with this bill although I am sure it will give it momentum. It was introduced several times in the past but they keep changing the numbers and re-introducing it. The DoD realy wants this to pass and it's up to public pressure to stop it.You should read the article about it to further understand it. The problem is the lawmakers think that if they pass the bill there will be exceptions, but, once their foot is in the door anything is posssible. IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 09-26- 01:51 PM
Yeah I read the article. But I still don't understand the prime motivation?
They just can't stand that anyone has any former military equipment? IP: Logged |
Hawk
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posted 09-26- 02:07 PM
Don't know the real reason Spanky but I am sure it has something to do with national security. I don't think this could extend beyond the United States. I would hope our historical items in other countries would be safe. IP: Logged |
semmern
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posted 09-26- 02:10 PM
[No, forget it][This message has been edited by semmern (edited 09-26-2001).] IP: Logged |
Psi
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posted 09-26- 03:53 PM
Well I don't mean standard issue, over the counter stuff, I mean the stuff that people shouldn't have in the first place. Like ex-military that just happened across a fully auto M-16 and maybe a couple of hand grenades. What the hell do people need with stuff that was meant for military use in the first place? Now what ya gonna tell me, that people need sophisticated night vision to hunt bats and raccoons so that they can toss hand grenades at them if they happen to miss with their full auto machine guns!!!P IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 09-26- 05:09 PM
Ever wonder why it isn't legal for the fed to demand you take your 67' Stang and strap on emission controls? It is the same reason no one can be tried for a crime if it was committed before the law was passed making it illegal. If such a bill were passed, it could only apply to those buying F-16's from the government the moment the law passed and there after.
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Lothar
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posted 09-26- 05:26 PM
I had the Government (or California, actually) threaten to take my 69 Camaro unless I put "emissions conrols" on it. The "control" was pretty funny. They capped off the vaccuum advance, advanced the timing a little bit (so it was too fast at idle and too slow at high RPM), and put a big sticker (not to be removed under penalty of law) on the speedometer. For this, I had the pleasure of paying $100.IP: Logged |
semmern
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posted 09-27- 09:07 AM
That's what high-up official people are for; just being darn nuisances and P.I.T.Asses.IP: Logged |
wakeup tailgunner
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posted 09-27- 09:28 AM
Lothar ... that is crazy!!!!They make your motor run worse ... probably producing worse emissions in the bargain ... Mind you, I bet it only takes 5 minutes to swap the vacuum advance and re-set the timing.......and you still have a lovely $100 sticker... IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 09-27- 10:13 AM
Psi, if you aren't a criminal, you should be able own anything you want. Including an M-16. Which aren't for hunting. They're very expensive, $5,000+ USD, big kid's toys. Just like Lothar's Camero or a private aircraft.
I read the article too. It's a typical media thing that talks a lot but says nothing. I think this bill or the fear of people having "military" stuff comes from some civilian plug that works for your DOD. Most of the real soldiers I know could care less what I have. Although, it does annoy them that I have more and better stuff than they do.IP: Logged |
weasel
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posted 09-27- 10:26 AM
PSI, I don't know about the hand grenades but I think it would be fun to shoot an M-16 in full auto. If I had the big bucks I probably would own one just to shoot it. The permit to own a full auto is kinda steep. The M-16 you could shoot and then put it away to shoot another day. The hand grenade is kinda like fireworks. They go up in smoke the first time you use them.
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Psi
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posted 09-27- 11:22 AM
Ray o Sun, " Psi, if you aren't a criminal, you should be able own anything you want" My neighbor is a Microbiologist, shit why doesn't he just bring his work home with him, he isn't a criminal and by what your saying he's entitled to do that. As far as I know it is not even legal to own or possess a full auto in the US, so I don't think you can even get a license for one unless your CIA or something. I don't agree with your point, I don't see that you made a valid one for those uses. I'm not making an excuse for the Gov to trample rights but some shit you shouldn't have in your possession, period!And if your paying 5K for an M-16 your nuts... Weasel, funny If you get a chance shoot an SKS, you'll throw rocks at an M-16 (IMO) About the grenade thing, ya think your suppose to pull the pin with yer teeth  Maybe that's why so many people don't have any  P
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Sunray
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posted 09-28- 05:32 PM
Nope, depending on the State you can own full autos and some of 'em let you have silencers too. Oddly enough in NY you can own a silencer, more correctly called a suppressor, but you can't own a full auto. All while paying a $200 per item Federal transfer tax. In Canada, you can only own them IF you had them prior to 1 Jan., 1978 and you can only sell or trade with somebody who has the same permit. When you croak, your kids cannot inherit your property. YOUR propery gets confiscated without compensation unless YOUR property is sold to somebody with the permit. Oh and the blow guns you see in the back of magazines are in the same category. Too many Pygmies holding up convenience stores.
While I'm at work waiting for bad things to happen so I can push a button, I surf a lot of the firearm sites. I've seen M-16's advertised for that kind of money. Have a look at www.shotgunnews.com. Go to gun ads then military for sale. Then click on links and have a look at some other sites. All kinds of neat big kid's toys.IP: Logged |
Psi
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posted 09-29- 12:11 AM
Well in NYC I can understand, "you lookin at me" or "what the fook you lookin at, ya chump" But the rest is news to me. I didn't think you could even own a full auto in the US. I'll get some (BM) prices for you on the M-16 Sunray, I know I can get them better than 5K...P IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 09-29- 07:27 PM
Her Majesty's Canadian socialist rectal orifices won't let me have one. I didn't know the people I know now when I could. Couldn't afford to feed it anyway. It's very sad.IP: Logged |
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