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Topic: Did Anyone see this on TV???
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Werner Molders
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posted 09-20- 09:23 PM
   
If I didn't utterly despise the CBC before tonight, that certainly isn't in question any more. Of course on their website the story has been hushed up, but I got this from my ISP's news pages which run off a CBC database, so it's on file somewhere. If any of you did see this and are being polite enough not to comment on it (or if you hear others mention it), please know/tell them that the CBC does not speak for all Canadians even though they carefully craft their shows to give the impression that they do. They have an agenda as much as Chretien's Autocratic circus of self-serving, ignorant goons (the Cabinet) do. They lead the way in bashing opposition parties ensuring permanent Liberal re-election, Paul Martin makes sure money gets diverted from useless things like intelligence and national defense get channeled into the CBC for all manner of rediculous programming that few people watch anyways. **CBC TV's Town Hall upsets many Americans CBC News Online has received a barrage of letters, many from angry Americans, disgusted at what they perceived as a lack of support from Canadians after a televised CBC Town Hall meeting Wednesday evening. "I don't think I will ever really feel comfortable in your country again," said an e-mail from a writer who did not indicate in what city or state in the U.S. he or she lives. The Town Hall meeting was held in the atrium at the CBC Broadcasting Centre in Toronto before a live audience. CBC TV's Peter Mansbridge hosted the event. A panel of experts answered questions and made observations throughout the live presentation. Many in the audience also made comments and asked questions. There were live feeds to Ottawa where Defence Minister Art Eggleton, Alliance leader Stockwell Day, and NDP leader Alexa McDonough replied to questions and made observations. Most in the audience expressed sympathy for lives lost in the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. But the discussion and debate also dealt with such matters as the need for concrete evidence before the United States begins bombing anyone. Many in the audience urged caution and they were loudly applauded. "Oh, Canada, I thought until I watched your Town Hall meeting tonight that you were with us Americans in spirit, in heart, in cause, in grief...." says a letter from Dallas, Texas. "...I am ashamed of you. If your cities were attacked, do you think we in the USA would sit by and do nothing to help you?" Another American who watched the Town Hall called Canada "the world's best Boy Scout." From Omaha, Nebraska: "I am absolutely appalled by the response I have seen by the young generation tonight. Do they not think that generations of grandparents and parents do not care about the long-term wellbeing of their children? (Our leaders) are not war-mongers, but protectors of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness." From Long Beach, California: "The more I hear of the reactions of Canadians, the more I think we should shut our borders and keep our money at home...." From Detroit: "Last night I watched the Canadian National Town Hall meeting. I have to honestly say it was one of the saddest moments of my life. I have been raised to believe that we were friends, brothers and allies. Last night as I watched the Canadian town hall meeting that illusion was dispelled."
** B******ds. (edit: this refers to the CBC and the government that sponsors their propagandising) GWB didn't mention Canada or anything Canadian once in his speech tonight, during that section where he name dropped places like Cairo, Berlin, Paris, the UK (Buckingham Palace specifically), Seoul S.K., etc. etc. Perhaps he caught a glimpse of it last night? Meanwhile Prime-Minister-for-life Chretien denies reports Canada was used as a port of entry for the terrorists (despite offical reports 100+ terrorist cells are operating inside my pathetic country), and he waffles on the issue of to what extent Canada would support military action led by the US. He's too concerned Paul Martin's promise of no more deficits might be endangered by this new conflict, and passing resolutions (a week later) loudly denouncing terrorist actions, etc. etc. (same stuff everyone else in the world said by lunch on the 11th). To the Americans - do us and the world a favour, drop your first bombs on a country whose government, through complete ineptitude, is in fact harbouring terrorists. Drop a bo_mb on 2_4 Susse_x Drive. If ignorance is not a valid defense for the rest of us, it sure as h@ll shouldn't be for the government. /rant Werner ------------------
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 09-20- 10:00 PM
Sorry WM, I totally agree with this line. "But the discussion and debate also dealt with such matters as the need for concrete evidence before the United States begins bombing anyone. Many in the audience urged caution and they were loudly applauded." As for supporting the Americans, we have shown plenty of support from what I have seen. Taking care of stranded passangers and such.
As for military support, I thought I had heard we pleged support, but havn't been asked for direct military support. I'm liking what I'm hearing out of the states right now, I'm hearing talk that commando and other spec ops are being mobilized, which is exactly what I would have done. Why is it the CBCs fault if the Canadians on the show were just expressing their opinions? Unless they hand picked everyone, then I would be pissed.
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Werner Molders
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posted 09-20- 10:09 PM
If asking for proof bin Laden is behind this is all it takes to get Americans angry enough to write in letters like they did, than besides the UK government the US doesn't have many allies in this situation and we know that isn't the case. Point is - what the article briefly mentions (remember some CBC staffer wrote this) is that there were comments besides ones asking for proof of Bin Laden's guilt being made - "I am absolutely appalled by the response I have seen by the young generation tonight. Do they not think that generations of grandparents and parents do not care about the long-term wellbeing of their children? (Our leaders) are not war-mongers, but protectors of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
This is a classic case of misrepresentation of the facts, CBC style. Yes people got up and said there should be proof before action against bin Laden. Yes people got up and said, war is bad, I hope there isn't a war, yada yada, but what was also said, that the CBC isn't admitting to directly, is that there were anti-US government comments being made. How do they get around omitting this little fact? Including quotes that allude to it. This is the problem with the CBC, accuse them of screwing the information and they tell you "but it's all there!" trouble is at first glance you only see what they want you to see.
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 09-20- 10:12 PM
Ah ok, I get ya, so your not arguing with the issues raised, just that the CBC was skirting around some. ?
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Lothar
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posted 09-20- 10:31 PM
Werner, some Americans will blow a gasket at the idea that we should know who is guilty before we start bombing. Just because some Americans complained about the show doesn't mean that anything was said which the CBC is censoring out.
I'd look for another source of what was said before I'd assume that there is censorship going on.IP: Logged |
Lothar
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posted 09-20- 10:39 PM
OK, i did a little searching on Deja, and it sounds like there was more controversial things said. I stand corrected. In particular I found this:
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I do believe that in usual Bill Mauer style the point was exaggerated but as I
watched the C-Span coverage of the Canadian Broadcasting Town Hall Meeting and
a young girl saying we had no place in a war against Terrorism I realized that
in some ways there is some point to what he was trying to say. As the USA and
its allies begin its fight to save the free world from terrorist attacks there
will be some in all of the countries (including the USA) that will not want any
part of the war and will want there to be some diplomatic process. This has
proven to be totally ineffective with terrorists. There will be those that
will criticize the allies for injuring/killing the innocent -- even though the
terrorists don't think twice about killing our innocent people.
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Werner Molders
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posted 09-20- 10:46 PM
Well I think anybody that thinks the US government is warmongering is ill informed, and it doesn't surprise me that its members of the Britney Spears-loving generation who made those comments. So yes I have issues with those specific comments. I don't have issues with getting proof of bin Laden & Al Queda's complicity, but then again I highly doubt anyone in the civilised world would, and I think that burden of proof has been established otherwise the speech tonight might never have happened. Of course we aren't going to get every detail, because of the nature of intelligence operations, but the point is we're there - Al Queda & Bin Laden are guilty as charged.As for the CBC, which was the main focus of my anger, its one more case of them manipulating information and presenting a false face to the country. Not only that but since it was a live broadcast I'm 99.5% sure they screened the audience first, and in CBC-speak screened=seeded. The CBC's survival depends on a strong push for Canadian sovereignty from the US (since they are the official defenders of Canadian identity after all  ), and in the wake of last Tuesday that sovereignty is being re-evaluated in the interests of national security. Werner ------------------
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posted 09-20- 10:58 PM
WM, ok now I get ya, and yes now that you mention (or remind?  me that it was live I agree that they were probly seeded. About the warmongering, yes I agree that the US goverment isn't doing that. Although you have to admit that some of its citizens are doing just that. Calling for all out nukes and widespread carpet bombings. IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
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posted 09-20- 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by Spanky the Mad Dog:
Although you have to admit that some of its citizens are doing just that. Calling for all out nukes and widespread carpet bombings.
Again I'm skeptical of the media though - what percentage of Americans really believes/believed that? I think it got more attention than it deserved because the comments were very inflammatory. I think the majority of people know better, and if they did say it, it was out of sheer frustration. Werner
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 09-21- 01:26 AM
I'm talking of personal experince on forums including this one. There is a decent percentage of people calling for all out war and nukes. I'm glad they are not in power
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posted 09-21- 09:07 AM
But then again to have a chicken shit in power with his tail tucked between his doglegs would be scarier. Werner I wouldn't worry about some people in the media that have seeded their audience to gain favor with some conservatives. At BSU yesterday some people tried to hold a peace rally and on a campus that has a fair population as BSU it didn't have the results that they would have wanted. I've lived through several wars and know that there are always persons that are afraid of the conflict. The majority of Canadians are still our brothers and sisters and I don't let a few dictate to the overall consensus. Nobody is passionate about war, but sometimes it's necessary, and in this case it is. Some people can't seem to see beyond the conflict to see that some of their freedoms are a direct result of a previous war... P IP: Logged |
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posted 09-21- 10:37 AM
The CBC is like a box of granola. Full of flakes and nuts.
The media always uses hand picked participants for these things and most teenagers think they'll be drafted to go fight in whatever happens. They believe what their idiot teachers and the media tells them. Don't despair about our teens though. I spent 6 great years working with Army Cadets. Great bunch of dedicated kids some of whom are now in both the Regs and Militia. It'll be ok.
The f**king Liberal Party (Conservatives were no better)consistently gutted the Canadian Forces' budget for the last 40 years to the point that they are ineffective. We have no more than 5,000 combat type troops most of whom are busy keeping the peace here and there.
In short, Canada has next to nothing to offer. A few CF-18's and some excellent medical and comms people but nothing else.
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posted 09-21- 01:31 PM
Spanky, after reading what you posted in the flame wars, I to wanted to rip you a new a**#ole but I didn't. What you posted, most people from the USA would be mad at. You really need to choose your words better when addressing things of this nature. Not all Americans want to drop "The Bomb". What you are reading are just a small percent, so small it wouldn't even make a 1/4% of all Americans. I hope you are smarter than thinking "There is a decent percentage of people calling for all out war and nukes."One thing most people don't think about is the reaction most people have after attacks of this nature. The first is grief which is followed by anger. What you now see is the anger part, which will pass in time. But from anger comes resolve. It really means a lot to all of us in the USA to see countries back the USA. Most people in the USA really believe most countries hate the USA. I'm one of those people, I really think most counties hate us for whatever reason. We don't like being the world "Police", I don't like the fact we send all this money to third world countries, who hate us. Did you know that Israel gets the most funding for over sea, and did you know that Egypt recieves the second most funding by the USA! But step back and think about the world's history, from the beginning of time to now there is no country ever like the USA! What country has given the world so much but only to be hated because it gave so much? We help just about everyone, which might be our down fall. But that's the USA. I would say the only true ally the USA has ever had is the UK. They are the only ones who stand by us, no matter what. To see the UK's prime minister come to New York and to Washington for Bush's speech, well I just don't know if UK really knows how much that means to all us Americans. The only thing I can offer is a "Thank You", I know it's not much. ------------------
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posted 09-21- 02:18 PM
Himdog -
I think I would add Australia to the list of allies as well.....------------------
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posted 09-22- 12:52 AM
I know this is a very un-Canadian statement but you can't please everyone all the time. I think its sad that some are using this as an excuse to divide us rather than bring us together. There is no doubt in my mind that Canada will support the US in every way possible. It's not unreasonable to ask for some assurance we're killing the right people but that in no way means a lack of support IMHO. TS IP: Logged |
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posted 09-22- 01:37 AM
Apart from a 'political statement' of invoking the ANZUS Alliance, the extension (indefinately) of HMAS ANZAC in the Gulf and authorisation of the participation of any exchange personnel...including fighter pilots (there are currently a few Aussies flying CAP over the US), my government is yet to fully lay its cards on the table........and there will be other allies who will, I'm sure, contribute more than we ever possibly could.... But, my brothers, I want to point out that there is an acronym that my military uses for a committee that sits over the setting of interoperability standards....this acronym has history going back to WW2. It was designed with the view in mind, that when the proverbial hits the fan, who will stand by your side... The acronym is called ABCA America
Britain
Canada
Australia Our Soldiers, Airmen and sailors are about to, very shortly, meet each other once again on the two way firing range.... ....so please, don't take a friendly jab in the ribs too far, don't listen too much to commentators who don't know better, and remember - above all else - who your friends are... Cheers, ------------------
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