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Sv JAG	posted 09-11- 08:41 AM Both towers where hit by aircraft this morning... looks like an attack. I can't get to any news sites like cnn.com, etc. So this is a denial of service attack as well! I think the news sites need some more servers... The buildings are still burning, 6 people reported to be killed. ------------------ -Sv Wings with Wires [This message has been edited by Sv (edited 09-11-2001).] IP: Logged
semmern Pilot	posted 09-11- 09:23 AM Six?? You gotta be kidding. One of the towers has collapsed, and the Pentagon has been hit as well, all of the planes were airliners, at least one full of passengers! I'd say more like 1000 people! IP: Logged
Sv JAG	posted 09-11- 09:29 AM Wow... I can only see foreign news sites... this looks like bad news IP: Logged
thijs Pilot	posted 09-11- 09:42 AM this is a really sad day for the world. IP: Logged
Lothar Pilot	posted 09-11- 10:03 AM I'm right across the water from the WTC... its a sick sight. I've heard that 8 planes were hijacked. 2 hit WTC, 1 hit the pentagon, 1 crashed in Pensylvania and one is circling an airport in Virginia. The others are unaccounted for. IP: Logged
Lothar Pilot	posted 09-11- 10:06 AM 40,000 people work in the two towers, and large portions have collapsed. IP: Logged
Lothar Pilot	posted 09-11- 10:08 AM The plane circling in VA is surrounded by F-16's, they are tryin to hail it. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 09-11- 11:19 AM Not to start anything but this is exacly why some of us think that the star wars defence system is practicaly useless, I think more and more stuff is going to be like this. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-11- 11:25 AM Spanky, this is exactly why we need to pursue ALL forms of defense. We are dealing with madmen who will use any means available. Not that we should ignore traditional terrorists attacks in lieu of missle defense but we can't leave any loop holes, no matter what it costs. IP: Logged
semmern Pilot	posted 09-11- 11:25 AM Goddamit! I saw the 737 bang right into the second tower on the telly a few hours ago! Jesus Christ in Heaven, who would wish to do something like this? IP: Logged
DennyBoy Cadet	posted 09-11- 11:53 AM Yes, a Sad day indeed! My full sympati to all of them ho suffer. Best Regard DennyBoy IP: Logged
Da Jug head Pilot	posted 09-11- 12:03 PM Lothar- if you read this when you get home- we'd like to know you're ok since we know the 2nd tower collapsed and haven't heard from you. Some peple are taking the liberal approach and saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions about it being a terrorist attack. How stupid can anyone be!? Yeah right- 3 airline pilots decide to commit suicide by crashing into 3 different buildings within an hour- give me a frickin break. I miust admit, my blood is boiling right now. One Senator compared this to Pearl Harbor, and I agree with him 100 percent. Except- this is magnitudes worse, at least pearl was a military target. Another senator said this is war- I agree with him. Turns out that the news is now confirming that a car bomb went off outside the state dept. I think you will find the 4th plane went down because it was diverted and the terrorist on board decided to take as many as he could with him. This fits the profile of a mid east suicide bomber that is thwarted from reaching his objective. The spokesman for the European Union called this an "Act of war by madmen". Politicians choose their words very carefully, and note, he did not bother to use the word terrorism. I have four 18+ year olds watching the news while I'm working here at home. 2 sons and 2 of their friends. One is signed up for the Marines, the others are getting ready to head to a recruiters office. Everyone of them is angry beyond words. This should let you know what kind of reaction this attack is causing. Once the shock has worn off, get ready cuz the eagle will be on the hunt and he'll be PISSED! Even if we were to take out the wrong terrorist group(s) before getting to the right one- too bad. They should never have chosen to engage in that activity in the first place. [This message has been edited by Da Jug head (edited 09-11-2001).] IP: Logged
Lothar Pilot	posted 09-11- 12:21 PM Thanks for your concern, Jug. I just got back from the waterfront (Jersey side). It looks like at least one tower is gone. People around me had been there and saw all that death close up. Its very sad and maddening. IP: Logged
Da Jug head Pilot	posted 09-11- 12:28 PM FBI just admitted another plane crash occurred near Camp David. The CDC is putting bio-resonse teams on alert and sending some of them to the crash sites as a precautionary measure. IP: Logged
Vahnatai Pilot	posted 09-11- 12:30 PM dont forget the carbomb in front of state bldg. loads shotgun and buys ticket to afghanistan IP: Logged
Sport Pilot	posted 09-11- 01:15 PM I agree that this is a act of war against the US population. BTW, the Camp David Accord was signed on this date is 1978. I don't know how you declare war on a group and not a nation, but the are countries that have to know that there people within their borders that are doing this. Those nations and there leaders should be made accountable. Pray for the victoms and their families. Sport IP: Logged
Blacksheep Pilot	posted 09-11- 02:25 PM This is a sad day for the USA, I do not live in New York, but Manhatten is about a 4 hour drive from where I live, just knowing that the United States has been attacked that close to me is horrifying. Jug is right, this has to be a terrorist group, probably middle eastern. Once we find out, the USA should just ahnilate all of them. These terrorist attacks on innocent civilians have gone on long enough. It is time for action, just for the sake of protecting the people who live and work in our country. My thoughts are with those who perished today. ------------------ -Blacksheep http://geocities.com/jays3299/toshindo.html IP: Logged
Psi Pilot	posted 09-11- 02:28 PM I'm really happy to see that many of the world powers, England, France, Germany etc. have all come to the support of the US and comdemnation of this act, we have many enemies but we have many more friends. PM Tony Blair said it best when he said this is not an attack against America but an attack on the free world. Yes the eagle will fly... P IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 09-11- 03:41 PM All I've seen so far is one of the buildings collapse (found out late), but apparently there is footage of one of the collisions??? Also if any can confirm this (I checked the NATO website but nothing on it there), NATO is prepared to declare war on whoever did this? That sounds a bit odd, declaring war on a terrorist group, but perhaps they mean the country that is harbouring that group? (read: Bin Laden & Afghanistan) werner IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 09-11- 03:47 PM My thoughts and condoleances go to the victims and their families. That's all I can say. IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 09-11- 04:15 PM Just pulled back into work from a customers site... On the radio, they were reading a (long) list of embassys in Afghanistan that are closing, some with no date for reopening.... IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 09-11- 04:44 PM Werner, I think it falls under "an attack on a NATO member is an attack on NATO". Alexandar Haig was talking something about this on CNN. I didn't catch it all though. IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 09-11- 05:11 PM Now there has been an attack on Kabul Afghanistan... [This message has been edited by Snickers (edited 09-11-2001).] IP: Logged
robert s Pilot	posted 09-11- 05:45 PM Since I couldn't check any news site at work, I looked up Nostradamus predictions on the new city. I vaguely remember something he babbled about the new city and this is one of them: The New City Century 1, Quatrain 24 A cit� neuue pensif pour condemner, L'oisel de proye au ciel se vient offrir: Apres victoire � captifs pardonner, Cremone & Mantoue gras maux aura souffert. The new city contemplating a condemnation, The bird of prey offers itself to the heavens. After victory pardon to the captives, Cremona and Mantua will have suffered great evils. Kind of fearfully representative of today's action. Don't know if it means anything since you can read almost anything into his writings. May God bless all of us and especially those directly affected by this awful act. IP: Logged
Todesvogel Pilot	posted 09-11- 06:34 PM quote: Originally posted by Spanky the Mad Dog: Not to start anything but this is exacly why some of us think that the star wars defence system is practicaly useless, I think more and more stuff is going to be like this. You are wrong. When terroist have ballistic missiles bought from North Korea, France, Russia, China, Pacistan, or Iraq, and they launch them against YOUR town, you will be crying for Ballistic Missile Defense. Tomorrow isn't soon enough. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 09-11- 07:42 PM No I would be dead. I have already come to terms with a atomic hit on my city, I'm glad that I'm close enough that death would be instant. I live in a city that was very high on the target list in Canada. Why would anyone use a balistic missle after the defence system was in place? You can spend all that money to try to defend against ONE type of attack, but they will just use another. They used knives to hijack the planes, not guns, see taking away guns didn't help either did it? When someone wants something bad enough they will do it, nothing can stop them. They could have just drove a semi truck full of the same stuff used in the oklahoma bombing, beside one of the buildings and set it off. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-11- 08:35 PM Spanky that's the most defeatest attitude I have ever seen. That's like saying, "Hey, I'm going to die anyway so why take care of my health"? It makes no sense. IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 09-11- 09:03 PM quote: Originally posted by Spanky the Mad Dog: When someone wants something bad enough they will do it, nothing can stop them. The Japanese wanted to attack Pearl so badly that they found a way and did it. Its what happens next that is important. Any terrorist can strike anytime anywhere. You cannot stop individuals. You CAN stop (or greatly impact ) governments that shelter them and fund them.... This reduces the threat of a major attack... As someone else said, the world (and the way we do war) is changing... IP: Logged
Da Jug head Pilot	posted 09-11- 09:05 PM Werner, Many "specialists" have stated this is the face of a new type of warfare in the 21st century. This is true. What is a declaration of war anyway, but one political entity declaring a conflict with another political entity? Most terrorist organizations consider themselves a political entity unto themselves. With that in mind, there really isn't a whole lot of difference between declaring war against a nation or a terrorist group. IP: Logged
Psi Pilot	posted 09-12- 12:14 AM My day started with a cup of coffee and I awakened my two daughters for school. I turned on the TV and saw that one of the trade centers was on fire, I thought how terrible. Then I heard it was a plane crash, in the next second terrorism was my first thought. Then I see in horror another plane come in and hit the other building, I then called a friend. He and I both know construction and structure very well. I said Tom, that building is going to come down. My point is that I hope there were a hell of a lot smarter people in NYC than a simpleton like me in Idaho. The missile defense system will not work, against this or any other attacks like it. If you think this is big then think of this; about twenty years ago I read an article that if an LP gas tanker ship were to detonate in NY harbor it would level the skyline in that city and parts of New Jersey. I am very upset at what has happened today, I really hope there is a hell... IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 09-12- 03:53 AM quote: When terroist have ballistic missiles bought from North Korea, France, Russia, China, Pacistan, or Iraq It's frightening you don't make a difference between a 2 century old democracy, and dictatorships. May I politely remind you that the French republic is one of the US' oldest allies. Todesvogel, you'd better get a clue about what the outside world is real fast, because you're going to need it badly. IP: Logged
Biggles Pilot	posted 09-12- 06:48 AM Here is my two cents (probably the same opinion of most Aussies) I can't believe it. I've been watching all the news reports here all day long (most channels broadcasting all the events non stop all day) and i still can't come to terms with what's happened, and i'm half a world away! Most people who i talked to today were all stunned and shocked, and it just goes to show how much this has effected everyone everywhere. I can't see it taking too long to find out which bastards committed this attrocious crime and NUKE THE SHT OUT OF THEM. First to go, would be the palistinians,who were celebrating in their streets after news of the attact had gotten around. For anyone to be that insanely idiotic, is not humane, and for that they should pay the price.It may seem like the western world would be lowering their standards to the levals of these maniacs, but what sort of message is being sent to them by saying "terrorisim is bad, M'kay?" "we won't tollerate it, so please stop" I say, the only thing to do is carpet bomb and/or nuke the absolute crap sht out of all the shitty warring counties around that middle eastern area. On a lighter not, my condolences go out to all the innocent citizens involved in this inhumane act of incomprehensible idiocy. Biggles IP: Logged
semmern Pilot	posted 09-12- 08:34 AM Let me join too! Loads his Desert Eagle I'm ready to kick some butt. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-12- 10:47 AM quote: Originally posted by Pachy: May I politely remind you that the French republic is one of the US' oldest allies. So why did the French Government deny America flyover permission when we bombed Libya during the Reagan administration in retaliation for terrorist activities? IP: Logged
thijs Pilot	posted 09-12- 12:20 PM i'm watching cnn now and there saying there arrested some people in boston. IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 09-12- 02:01 PM Jerry, this is getting off topic, but hey I did not start it. Being allies does not mean agreeing on everything. Our government probably decided that supporting US' bombings did not serve the country's interests best, that's all, no big deal. [This message has been edited by Pachy (edited 09-12-2001).] IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-12- 03:53 PM It really isn't off topic Pachy. If your government wouldn't support us against terrorists then what makes you so sure they will now? Other than lip service. Do you think we will be able to use French bases to launch attacks on Afganistan or Iraq or anyone else if we need to? Will the French give our bombers air cover or refueling? Will the French support an economic boycott of Afganistan if asked, like they aren't doing in Iraq? Will the French participate in no-fly zones like they aren't doing in Iraq? I don't mean this be a flame. But while the French may be among our "oldest" allies they haven't been among the most dependable. Thank god for the British!! IP: Logged
Todesvogel Pilot	posted 09-12- 07:47 PM quote: Originally posted by Pachy: It's frightening you don't make a difference between a 2 century old democracy, and dictatorships. May I politely remind you that the French republic is one of the US' oldest allies. Todesvogel, you'd better get a clue about what the outside world is real fast, because you're going to need it badly. What is frightening is the France sees short-term economic gains as more important than their "Allies". Case in point, Exocet + Fauklands = Pissed off Friends. We sold the Argentainians A-4 fighters, but we also gave the UK the info they needed to defeat those A-4s. I've heard the thought expressed that France can't always be trusted. Take a look at http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/exocet.htm Why has France sold Exocet to Libya? Maybe you need to get a clue. IP: Logged
Da Jug head Pilot	posted 09-12- 11:34 PM Pachy, Let me apologize for the insults. This saddens me. A nation chooses to stand by us and all we can do is harass one of it's citizens. Forgive the past, look to the future. These responses make me glad the leaders aren't bickering in a similar manner. If they did so, the terrorists would have won an important battle. IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 09-13- 01:36 AM I do not wish to continue this discussion any longer. Maybe later in another thread, I have more things to say to Jerry and Todesvogel. But my original intent was to express my sympathies for the victims of tuesday's events, so I'll stick to the topic. Pachy off. IP: Logged

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