posted 08-28- 10:05 AM               

Werner

posted 08-28- 10:12 AM               

The plane was the result of an attempt to blast 4 Ju88's..... I overshot and got absolutley peppered in the process...but I survived....unlike the rear gunner.

posted 08-28- 10:53 AM               

I didn't think it was possible to have damage like that in SDOE, that is gret that you have figured out a way to make that effect. It would really improve the realism to see damage like that.

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posted 08-28- 01:55 PM               

Did the plane's flight characteristics change with all that damage done to it?

posted 08-28- 02:24 PM               

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Originally posted by wakeup tailgunner:
Also of note is the fact that none of the damage effects shown here are [not] impossible in SDOE. It's a hi-res damage skin with a few alpha's for the bits knocked off. I already figured out a way of doing something like this a while back!

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In time I think I'll have to get you to teach me how to do this.

Werner

posted 08-28- 06:03 PM               

I know we can do just as good with SDOE.

ALso I'm pretty sure that losing parts of your plane in IL-2 DOES effect performance.

posted 08-29- 01:54 AM               

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Originally posted by Werner Molders:
Is it just me or does it look like there are two rear guns, one poking through the perspex to the gunner's right side? (bug?)

Werner

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posted 08-29- 03:38 AM               

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posted 08-29- 05:04 AM               

Point is I guess, with Open Plane, we have the option to look at what another sim has done, ad do it better here, but whats always held us back is every builders consideration of FR issues for people with slower machines, which is a fair comment, ut it's good to know we can do atleast as good if not better than a brand new sim

What IL2 has thats pretty cool are the damage models, if you're able, take a look at the model in 3D Max, they are very detailed models with very good damage models, you can see the first damage model showing on the VStab of te IL2 above, there are (if I remember rightly) 4 different damage models with various stages of being ripped up (also not something we can't do here)

posted 08-29- 08:33 PM               

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Originally posted by Spanky the Mad Dog:

I personally think that IL-2 skin is horrible.

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I was excited about IL2.

But after seeing that pic, IL2 looks too much like EAW 2001.

posted 08-29- 09:16 PM               

I thing the flight modeling, physics model, open plane approach is fine. It's just the small terrain and particularly the scenarios/campaigns/careers that are less than ideal for me.

But, scenarios can be done.

I am a huge fan of the WW1 offerings, and they're getting more elaborate all the time! WW1 lends itself well to this, because it's easier for Dirk and his cousins to do things like drop small bombs over the side of the cockpit, or stand up and man a rear-facing gun, and be seen, or fire a pistol. Didn't happen much in WW2.

The Bombing the Reich campaign, and others done by fans, are good campaigns.

Look at the JU88 seaplane, with it's pickup of a downed pilot...

I don't think there's much at all that can't be noticed in another sim and modelled in SDOE. And, I've NEVER had so much fun being a gunner, either from a BE2c or Shorthorn S.11, or from the Lancaster at night!

V/R,

posted 08-30- 03:56 AM               

But much of what IL-2 offers we don't seem to be able to duplicate in SDOE.

1) Larger terrains
2) gradient sky
3) weather effects
4) more powerfull mission editor
5) different skins/squadron markings online
6) the sun
7) the moon
8) the stars
9) AI that don't crash into each other constantly

These are just the things I can think of at 3:38 a.m. (I gotta get some sleep)

People want to compare one thing to a lot of the older games and say."See, ours is as good as that", but they seldom compare the entire package. Truth be told, until the game is out that wouldn't even be fair. And, now that I mention it, until the game has had the time to mature like these other games have for 3+ years, who know what IL-2 may become?

It will be very interesting to see.

SDOE has made fantastic strides through the years all because of it's user community. It will contiue to do so, for awhile longer. But those user's can't (much as they would like) change the basic structure of what SDOE has limited them to. Pity really.

That doesn't diminish SDOE as a game, but it should make us put statements like "we can do that better" into perspective.

Just my opinion.

PR

posted 08-30- 12:03 PM               

And this is one of the things I REALLY HATE with SDOE.

Engine managment. No more full out throttle for half an hour at a time.

You will now have to manage your engine.

Your RPMs, boost pressure, injection system, heat and stuff.

You HAVE TO manage your cowl flaps and such. Leave them open and you don't have enough speed, leave them closed and overheat your engine.

People that don't learn that in IL-2 are going to be dead.

SDOE doesn't even model that.

Yes there is some similaritys, but SDOE and IL-2 are in no ways alike.

And unless there is some MAJOR work on the patch, there is NO WAY SDOE is ever going to catch up to IL-2.

As far as I have read there won't be any patch work anymore cause most of those guys are working on WWW exclusivly now.

About that skin, I said the skin was horrible, not the game nor the model, That particular skin sucks and I know some of our guys could do much better. And I'm hopeing some replacements come out. Its really just the damage skin that bugs me, the holes don't look like holes, they look like drawings trying to look like a hole and don't pull it off well at all.

About all of SDOEs good stuff, sure we have discovered alot of cool stuff, stuff that rivals some of the cool things in IL-2. But guess what? IT'S NEVER USED.

It makes it to one plane and thats it.

Really to me its like it doesn't even exist then.

posted 08-30- 01:49 PM               

Again, this is not intended to raise a flame, it's just my humble opinion .
You're now free to call me an asshole, di**head, whatever .

[To counter my own statement here, I too have to say that that Il-2 skin doesn't look all that fantastic at all . Are you running 16 or 32 bit TG??]

posted 08-30- 02:16 PM               

There is no question that IL-2 has more features and graphics capablilities than SDOE and a lot of people will buy it for that. I have the demo and it sold me.

But no one here is talking about how well they think it will sell worldwide and how long it will hold people's interest. That will be the key to IL-2's success since it's not Open and will remain relatively static. Oleg is not going to support it for three years for no money like our builders here have.

IMO it's sales are going to be disappointing as will it's long term popularity. To be successful it must be successful in the US market. How many Americans are interested in flying Russian and German planes on the Eastern front? As a novelty, sure...but novelties wear off quickly. Outside of Eastern Europe where is the passion to fly these planes over and over for hours at a time? How many Brits want to fly WWII without Spitfires? How many Brits bought SDOE just because of the Lancaster? Ask yourself, how successful would "Saving Private Ryan" have been in the US if it had been about a British or Canadian squad?

posted 08-30- 02:33 PM               

Yes the sales might be hurt by the theater choice. The maker is from USSR though so I'm guessing thats why he did it.

Besides, I'm sick of europe, and even the pacific.

Give me some eastern front or desert war.

I'm Canadian, and sure I would like to see a Canadian war movie. BUT I would also like to see some movies from the other side.

I would love to see a movie that was based on a russian war experince. And even more so I would like to see a movie based on a german ww2 fighter pilots experinces. That would kick major ass.

I hope I don't come off as anti american, but I'm just sick of all of the movies based on the US, course thats were hollywood is so thats what we get.

I really think openness is secondary. Some of the people that have left SDOE left BECAUSE it was open. Alot of sims made it pretty far before they were cracked and hacked. And all you could do with them was skins and such.

Really the ideal system to me would be, (and most of us were hopeing inertia would do this with SDOE)

Make the first sim, make it open.

People make new planes and skins and stuff.

THen release the second sim based on a different theater or time.

People make new planes and skins and stuff.

Release the third sim based again on a different theater and/or time.

And keep doing that. Make each sim alittle better and alittle better. And make them progressivly compatible.

In other words you can't use planes released for Sim2 in sim1 because sim2 plane use some new features or something. but you can use sim1 planes in sim2 AFTER running it through an editor that updates it to the new specs.

This lets everyone build all the planes they want but also lets the sim maker make some money.

posted 08-30- 04:10 PM               

My point is the European theater has ben done soo many times now in a flight sim with the same old planes, its reduntant! I havent put down the IL-2 demo yet or have ever gotten bored with it, and its JUST a demo!!

posted 08-30- 07:31 PM            

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9) AI that don't crash into each other constantly

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I just had 2 B-17f's and 2 Mustangs land all on the same runway. Also in the mission a 109E got shot up by one of the 17's and landed in a field safely????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

posted 08-30- 07:59 PM               

I am American, even American military, but I'd just about barf before buying yet another Western European or Pacific theater WWII sim.

I'm seriosly bent out of shape that Sierra cancelled Desert Fighters. Then they went and cancelled Babylon 5, but that's another genre.

So, Eastern Front? Cool, but I would have liked the choice of flying a Russian campaign or a German campaign. I had bought Luftwaffe Commander, and was enjoying it somewhat (Spanish Civil War, Battle of France...) before I got tired of it as just too much effort.

B-17 II, though, is probably the last 1-track sim I'll buy, and I liked it because it was such a good GAME on the multi-place bomber. I'm following Target for Tonight, a somewhat home-grown night-bombing Lancaster sim, just because the subject is so unique.

I'll buy Battle of Britain soon, when the price drops at or below $25. Choice of two sides in perhaps THE classic air battle of history. What will Rowan do next? I LIKED their Mig Alley, and may soon play some more (when I'm not flying a Zeppelin or driving a Renault FT-17 ).

For me, though, for a sim to have LEGS it needs to offer options, choices. Airplanes, campaigns, etc. One of the GREAT sims was Red Baron II/3D. Such a broad range of aircraft, campaigns, terrain, etc. Just wasn't open.

So, I think the REAL DEAL is going to be the Wings With Wires sim. It will offer Openplane, with I thing a better terrain setup and a better campaign setup (even with roleplaying elements, yet!). This for me will be the SDOE of the future.

posted 08-30- 11:32 PM               

Diego Lozano, about theaters, I can see past the small maps personally in SDOE, but some can't AND yes you can make new fronts but not many people do, and it still doesn't seem like anyone has made a TRUE new front. Not a repaint but a whole new front with all new terrain and textures (far and close textures and are all properly tiled) including towns and airbases.

Has anyone done that? Can many people pull it off?

Seems not cause I havn't seen one that doens't seem to have one or 2 points.

Kinda like the patch, I was pretty into installing SDOE again till I heard that the clouds and overcast wern't back in yet, and people having various renderer problems. I'm still hearing about problems with SDOE STILL.

Once its SOLID I might play it again, unless I'm already knee deep in IL-2.

I might return just for the ww1 cause its looking pretty good. But they should release their own add on thats JUST ww1 stuff.

posted 08-31- 12:44 AM               

If this community were into making terrains like they are into making planes, I'm sure the 40sq mile thingie would be a thing of the past. For a group of 4 guys its almost impossible...but then again nothing is impossible with openplane. Sit here a while and someone will come up with an solution.

posted 08-31- 12:53 AM            

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PSI, are you saying that the 109 shouldn't have landed in a feild? Like the AI was wrong to do that and that means the AI sucks? To me that realistic, I'm guessing it couldn't make it home or line up with the runway because of damage, so it set down in a feild. Whats the problem with that?

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Boy you're dumber than I thought Spanky, I was making a statement that if the AI were so bad then why, oh why would it have landed at all and not crashed. DOH!!!geezzzz

posted 08-31- 09:07 AM               

Make it into a PURE ww1 game that is install seperatly from SDOE.

posted 08-31- 09:36 AM               

If that is the case, I would write up instructions on how to do it, and links to the files I add.

First, I need to do it!!!!!

For me, WW1 has overtaken WW2. The 40 mile terrains are much less of a problem since it takes a while to fly 40 miles at 1/3rd the speed of a WW2 fighter. The planes are great, the setup is simple, and I have finally been lured into online flying by it! It's brilliant! I love it!

p.s. The pic I posted was 32 bit. I posted it coz it was a) amusing, b) showed a bug.

posted 08-31- 02:32 PM            

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