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Werner Molders JAG	posted 08-22- 04:40 PM splash Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 08-22- 04:45 PM Oh no! I was hoping to have some sleep tonight. This being said... The download site seems a bit slow, I might as well go to bed now IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 08-22- 06:20 PM Boy am I glad I grabbed that extra RAM today! (now running 650mb) [This message has been edited by Nat (edited 08-22-2001).] IP: Logged
Razer Pilot	posted 08-22- 08:00 PM n e 1 want to test multiplay? IP: Logged
Aladar Pilot	posted 08-22- 08:02 PM I would, but my DL is going slow. IP: Logged
Gustavo Pilot	posted 08-22- 08:29 PM In that differs IL2 of SDOE? ------------------ I./JG 27 Alle Messerschmitt bf109 IP: Logged
ArgonV JAG	posted 08-22- 08:39 PM SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM GETTING THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged
Gustavo Pilot	posted 08-22- 08:48 PM ------------------ I./JG 27 Alle Messerschmitt bf109 IP: Logged
Da Jug head Pilot	posted 08-22- 09:26 PM Gustavo, This is a demo of the new game Il-2 Sturmovick by Maddox games. It isn't due for relese until November at the earliest. THis demo is based on a beta version of the software. IP: Logged
Blacksheep Pilot	posted 08-22- 10:09 PM This is so cool!!! I'm downloading the Il2 demo right now. Werner one question, over on the Il2 message board do you have to register again even if you already have an account on this message board. I noticed they were both powered by infopop, and was curious to know if we could just enter our user name and password, or if we had to do a whole new registration for the IL2 board. ------------------ -Blacksheep http://geocities.com/jays3299/toshindo.html IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 08-22- 10:33 PM Whole other site & yes a new reg. is required. Over there Siggi's boss (as opposed to Hawk here). You won't notice any difference in moderating style (thankfully) but there are some forums that are off limits to non members. For more on that, poke around and you'll find a link to the info about membership. Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. [This message has been edited by Werner Molders (edited 08-22-2001).] IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 08-23- 01:57 AM Amazing how this thing feels exactly like SDOE! IP: Logged
Hentzau Pilot	posted 08-23- 03:51 AM Dang only 22MB to go and it must be getting overcrowded because i'm having trouble getting the last bit, drat. IP: Logged
Karaya 2 Pilot	posted 08-23- 05:22 AM I have a VERY GOOD feeling about this.. Wish this download was a bit quicker though. So far it's taken me 50 minutes to get 20% of the zip but that's a 56k modem for ya! ------------------ IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 08-23- 07:53 AM Every day I appreciate SDOE more and more.... IL2 has nice cockpits IP: Logged
ArgonV JAG	posted 08-23- 08:15 AM LoL Nat! Hopefully you will get a newer graphics card or your settings correct so you can see what I see... This game is simply AMAZING! Thats all there is to it... I see no other need for any WW2 sim to be on my hard drive now. I'll keep SDOE for its WWI, but thats it. This game blows every WW2 sim ever made in the history of mankind out of the water!!!!!!!!!! Its soo smooth, silky, slick, emmersive, innovative, and graphic intense. I have yet to be disappointed about anything in it, and Im picky!!!!!!!!!! Must go back and play... IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 08-23- 08:36 AM OK, nothing against IL2 at all, I'm just not happy right now.. Duron 1gig, 650Mb PC133, 7200rpm HD, and a Voodoo3... not good enough! Like Argon said, it's the voodoo, little or no texture detail, and masses of lag at some points, and I'm pissed off. The only thing that cheers me up is I planned to be getting the GF2MX-400-AGP-TV next week, but otherwise I realy would be annoyed. I can see though thats he's (Oleg) built a good looking game though from the screen shot Argon sent me (smeg head) Now.. I have an IAR80 to build thanks IP: Logged
Zurawski Pilot	posted 08-23- 09:08 AM ...Nat, Did you open the IL2demo directory, "select all" and remove the read only attribute? Seems who ever loaded the demo copied it directly from a CD, thus most of the files maintain their read-only attributes. (easy mistake... However, if you attempt to run it like this, the setup and configuration stuff doesn't take effect. How do I know? Hell... I did this and it ran at like 4 FPS and was butt ugly. Removed the read-only attribute, ran the set up again and "VIOLA" it buttery smooth and visually stunning. I know several people running on Voodoos and though not on the same level as a Geforce based card... their graphics still are awesome. Give it a try if you didn't... IP: Logged
semmern Pilot	posted 08-23- 09:09 AM Nat, like you I used to have a Voodoo 3, and I bought a GeF2MX-400. I take it you're getting the 64mb version? It's a world of difference, trust me!!!! IP: Logged
Rendsburger Pilot	posted 08-23- 09:25 AM My first impression of IL2beta. Nice game and outstanding graphic.So far not new I�m not realy impressed of the planes since SDOE can handle hires textures too. OK cockpit looks better than most SDOE planes. Wether effect are cool but why did i hear rain dropping at midair??? Big forests looks cool from far distance but if you look close they are totaly flat. I�m not sure if i should love the flak.On one site the flakbusts look cool but flaktracerssmoke looks more Star Trek phaser fire. I didn�t like also the bigcross 2nd level LOD of the planes. AI fly cool so far i know it. I�m disapointed by the airfields.Few buildings and no live on it(other planes driving cars...) I hope the music will be changed in the release, anyone remember Aces over Pacific?lol. Ok,thats my first impression if the beta. Rendsburger Oh and i was realy surprisd that it run not bad on my PIII450/128MB RAM system IP: Logged
Da Jug head Pilot	posted 08-23- 10:34 AM First impression Graphics are relly good, but the aircraft are too shiny. Somebody must spend lots of time between missions washing and waxing the aircraft AI- won't say yet, need more time. Cockpits- gorgeous Gunflashes- WAY TOO MUCH. the kind of flashes you see in this game are only visible at night, early dawn, and late dusk. Good grief they cover half the windscreen on the 109. FM- sluggish, seems to have more realism than Jane's, but share's some of the same flying through mud responsiveness (not as bad as Jane's though). Cloud/Weather effects- best yet I already found a few bugs but hey- it's a beta. Basically what Oleg did was not release a demo as much as an open beta with limited options. This allows much better hardware testing, and bug spotting. Pretty smart on his part. This beta is more impressive than the BoB finished demo when it comes to graphics. IP: Logged
Blacksheep Pilot	posted 08-23- 10:49 AM I can't get IL2 to run right, the frame rates are unbelievably slow. I'm running a AMD athlon 1.1 ghz, 128 RAM, and 16mb TNT2 Vanta graphics card. Now this card may sound slow, but it supports 1024x1024 textures in SDOE, and I have created missions with more then 12 planes in the air and only experience minor slowdown. SO I'm having a major slowdown with the IL2 demo. When I change the specifications with the setup thing, it always changes them back to the original settings. THen when I try and change the settings in the game, it moves incredibly slow and takes 5 minutes just to change from 1024 to 800x600. Even when I have it runing at 800x600 the frame rate slowdown is really slow. After I leave the game it puts the setting back to the default and I don't know why. In the readme it said there is a setup.exe I havn't found it. All I see is a setup changing icon, but when I use that it never keeps my settings. I don't understand where this read only attributes thing is that someone else posted. What do I select exactly and how do I remove it. Any help that anyone can offer me would be greatly appreciated, I wnat to play this game really bad but the frame rate is so slow it is practically impossible. Thank you. IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 08-23- 12:25 PM Blacksheep, read Zurs post above. Zur, thanks man! I'll try that out later, I gotta go out for a while. What I have noticed is that the ground textures look bad from some angles, but then look great for different angles, again though this is a Voodoo problem, can't handle big textures. And Yes, thre 64mg version of the GF2, with the TV output for copying DVD movies to vhs (did I just say that? LOL) Semmen.. thanks man, hearing you say that makes me feel alot better about buying the new g/card, I hate to spend money if I aint gonna see a big difference, you've stopped me worrying IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 08-23- 12:25 PM Blacksheep, read Zurs post above. Zur, thanks man! I'll try that out later, I gotta go out for a while. What I have noticed is that the ground textures look bad from some angles, but then look great for different angles, again though this is a Voodoo problem, can't handle big textures. And Yes, thre 64mg version of the GF2, with the TV output for copying DVD movies to vhs (did I just say that? LOL) Semmen.. thanks man, hearing you say that makes me feel alot better about buying the new g/card, I hate to spend money if I aint gonna see a big difference, you've stopped me worrying IP: Logged
nealg Pilot	posted 08-23- 12:34 PM Blacksheep; I believe Zur was referring to file attributes. Open Windows Explorer - go to the directory where the IL2 demo files are - click once on the first file in the folder - on the top task bar, click Edit - click Select All - this highlights all the files in the folder. From here, I'm relying on old memeory ( mine, hehe ). Click on File, again at the top - click Properties - this should open a window showing the properties of the files ( I think ). At the bottom of the window are 3 or 4 check boxes; if you see ReadOnly checked, uncheck it, close the window, and you should be good to go. You can do the same the long way by selecting each file in the folder, right click on it, and select Properties. From Zur's post, it looks like all the files should be set only at Archive, but that's a guess. I don't have the demo, and likely won't get it...depends. There aren't any planes in it I want to fly, and no historical aspect that interests me. ------------------ nealg=FC= IP: Logged
Burkey Pilot	posted 08-23- 01:39 PM Maybe a stupid question but how do i play? It unzips into a folder, theres no instalation so do I just click the icon to run it? Obviously not IP: Logged
Blind Faith Pilot	posted 08-23- 01:59 PM This is in fact a great looking simulation, and I chose this word because it is much harder to fly in there, for me at least . It is what I will call the university of flight sim and requires all the hardware for this level. Here is me observations in no particular order; - Very glossy finish all over, too much? - Complete simulation like SDOE is getting in the patched version. - Demanding on both pilot and PC hardware - It supports the Kyro chip set (Poniat) and my pictures look as good as advertised, even the snoke and I made a lot of it All and all it made my wish list: wish I could update my PC, wish I was a better pilot, wish I could afford a new game, wish I had a complete set of plane controls ... I will stick to SDOE For a while yet, with all the nice stuff coming from you guys (I am almost up to 500MB) The eye candy is still not enough. P.S. I tried to get an FPS reading from FRAPS but it does not register, anybody knows if it can display it's own (like SDOE)? IP: Logged
Psi Pilot	posted 08-23- 02:06 PM Hmmmm, isn't this off topic??? P IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 08-23- 02:35 PM Imho not really, I mean the success of IL2 and its online appeal especially have pretty important implications for the SDOE user base. If it gets too far into "help me get the demo working" etc. it'll be moved, but I think for now it's ok to entertain the discussion here. Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 08-23- 02:38 PM LOLOL I didn't even notice Hawk had already moved it here. Well in my own defense I think the thread had enough relevance to our community that it could have stayed in General, but OT is ok too. Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. IP: Logged
ArgonV JAG	posted 08-23- 03:11 PM Aye the planes seem a bit too shiny, but I LOVE the FMs!!!!! It feels like a heavy object in air, which is what it is! The gun flashes are in fact realistic as hell! I LOVE them too! People are just used to the unrealistic gun flashes that have ben put into sims of the past... Back to more flying I go!!! IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 08-23- 04:30 PM Excellent points Argon - did you know that our radio clicks are also historically inaccurate, but ingrained by many sims using them? I've been in correspondance with MeatWater on the subject, and this revelation will be reflected to an extent in Nv3. Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 08-23- 04:30 PM gun flashes... personaly I think they are big, and I've fired alot of weapons in my time (admitedly not aircraft mounted) but upto .50 cal in mg's, and I aint never seen a flash like that, maybe in real life you just don't notice it as much ~shrug~ Anyway, when I'm able to take off again (managed it first time, never yet since lol) I'll be able to say more. Oh, yeah maybe they do look to shiny, but not so bad realy, we don't have any shinyness which isn't right either. Personaly.. I'm sure once I learn to fly I'll like IL2 alot, and I will buy it, but I'm sorry to say it's not quiet good enough for me to say no more SDOE, at heart I just love building models, and I can build to my hearts content with SDOE, what would I do with all my time if I stoped using SDOE, I really dunno. There's just something about SDOE that stops me from putting it down, maybe if IL2 were open I'd feel differently, maybe,but it's not and I don't, so you guys will have to put up with me for quiet some time yet. ~Nat~ IP: Logged
Vahnatai Pilot	posted 08-23- 04:58 PM i like the DM and the EFFECTS! i love how when the AI lands a burning planes, the crew jumps out and runs!!! unfortunately i have 16 MB TnT2 so i have bad FPS even in lower resolution...also it is real hard to use the flighthat on my joystick to select views, it works SO smoothly in SDOE but is IMPOSSIBLE to use in IL2 [This message has been edited by Vahnatai (edited 08-23-2001).] IP: Logged
Blacksheep Pilot	posted 08-23- 05:13 PM nealg, Thank you for your detailed response. I found exactly what Zur was talking about and unchecked Read only. IL2 is running much better now. Thanks again nealg. ------------------ -Blacksheep http://geocities.com/jays3299/toshindo.html IP: Logged
Rendsburger Pilot	posted 08-23- 06:17 PM About the FM i have to say that this is more like WWII fighters than SDOE, the planes fly very straight and takeoffs are to easy. I realy love some details like the dead gunner in a stuka or the small props at the pants of the stuka lol. I will buy it, sure but i will not quit SDOE for that. I like all SDOE terrains, if they are right or not, i like to fly with so much planes and bombers etc... Yes IL2 will SDOE outdate in graphic and maybe in some other things too BUT there are some much things i can do and with SDOE that IL2 didn�t allow me. And not to forget the communtiy here and online! Rendsburger IP: Logged
Razer Pilot	posted 08-23- 08:04 PM leave it to me to start playing with the demo. looks like i'll have even more things to play with when I go offline next week. IP: Logged
Blind Faith Pilot	posted 08-23- 08:42 PM What An unexpected pleasure. This is not bad looking either... Do you still have this skin... I get a lot of flak from the other one. Have a nice time off... IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 08-24- 10:31 AM Courtesy JG5_Jerry, edited for context. "Anyway... [the] WW2 VVS pilots that Oleg had as advisers first said the original flashes were 'too small', so he made them bigger for accuracies' sake. Tracer fire is very accurate too, along the same principles. FM sources are VVS test data of captured LW aircraft and manufacturers test data from the former Soviet Union, as well as German and Finnish test data. This stuff is not at all widely available in the West as it lay in Russian military archives, so Oleg and his team have been lucky to get access to it. Western researchers are only now delving into it. The problem with naysayers is that sometime they think they 'know' how things are, but forget that they're basing it on often none too accurate info and downright myths that have circulated around here in the West since the end of WW2. There is footage on-line somewhere of a real IL-2 firing it's cannons, and the flashes are bloody huge!!" Not to mention the aeronautical engineering credentials of the Maddox team (including Oleg himself) are very impressive. Cheers, Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. IP: Logged
ArgonV JAG	posted 08-24- 10:45 AM I knew it! Ive SEEN footage of the IL-2's guns firing, aswell as Bf-109 guns... They are bloody HUGE. Much bigger than the average "Joe" would expect. For once someone got it right! For once someone got a flight sim right! Long live IL-2!!!! Now I must go back and play...... IP: Logged

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