posted 08-15- 10:38 PM               

LOL

Or maybe its

Who will think about the children?

posted 08-16- 02:59 AM               

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

posted 08-16- 08:55 AM               

Werner

posted 08-16- 10:16 AM            

"cite, site, sight, fane,
fain,
> feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
"

I cite this article.
This is a good pr0n site.
Love at first sight.
Turn off the ceiling fane.(lol)
-got me on this one-
He feigned death.
Window vane.
His quest for girly action was all in vain.
Blood vien.
He was razed (as in pissed off)
Don't raise you kids to be missile shields.
Sun rays on long legs make for exciting lays.

8th grade sucked anyway.

"3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?"

What the hell kinda question is that?

"4. Describe the mountains of North America."

Big rocks?

posted 08-16- 09:39 PM               

Do the rest of you know that the "classical" educations given our US ancestors (before 1910-20) taught people how to think?

As an experiment a group of college students, working on their masters, were given some papers dealing with philosophical subjects that were written in the mid 1800's. They were asked to explain the individuals line of thinking and "interpret" the paper.

80% of them were unable to. The ones that couldn't accomplish their assigned tasks claimed the papers were "too advanced, way over their head, or written by someone with much more education than they had". What they weren't told is these papers were written by people with a (mid 1800's) 6th grade education. What the directors of the study did was remove the spelling and grammatical errors so the students wouldn't realize this.

Pretty sad.

Pardon the dyslexic fingers- I think I got everything corrected

posted 08-17- 07:46 AM            

You aren't worthy anymore.

Go blow some more life savings or something.

Wimp.

posted 08-17- 10:49 AM               

"Why don't you grow-up Dannyboy and save your mean-spiritness for Flame Wars."

posted 08-18- 12:49 PM               

The whole child raising thing today totally
baffles me. I don't know what people are
thinking. I guess they just want to take the
easy way, be buddies with their kids, or
something. People let their kids do anything
they want to and don't correct them. This
is done all over our society. Small wonder
there is so much trouble with kids when
they reach high school age.

We used to have a union saying (you'll like this).

It went something like "I'm a union man. I
don't do my work and I don't want anyone else
doing it either."

posted 08-19- 01:23 AM               

I did get a 47 in grade eleven physics, ONLY based on my test responces and I skiped the final, that means the only marks that counted towards my grade were the test results, no labs or anything, I almost passed the glass with NO WORK and no final. While I agree I was stupid for not doing my labs and other assingments it does show that the stuff did sink in and I knew how to use it, I'm still kicking myself for not applying myself in that class. I'm thinking of taking it correspondence just so I have it (I actually am 2 credits away from my highschool and entered collage as a mature student).

I always have done fine at tests, I have no problems with paying attention in class, I have just never been into doing the homework. If all my class marks were just based on tests I would do great.

I'm going to challenge my son. I personally don't really belive in homework, and I never did any, except in collage cause I loved it. But that doesn't mean my son won't learn stuff in the evenings, he will learn what I teach him and what he wants to learn.

About raising kids and discipline. This will make you guys happy I'm sure. I fully belive in it. No pussyfooting around here.

I was spanked and my son will be too. I don't understand parents that don't. It sucks that we have to resort to negative reinforcement sometimes but sometimes thats all that wakes a kid up and says, "hey you did something bad and your paying for it". Obviously you should also talk to the kid and explain extactly why they are trouble and what they can do to avoid this in the future .

K I have a wacky story for ya guys, its about they crazys who overreact and call spanking child abuse.

When I was a kid, About 12. My dad gave me a spanking for being a dumbass and broke my arm, light fracture that I didn't even really notice until a week later, so of course we get it fixed up.

The media and "but what about the children zealots" Would jump all over that calling my father an abuser.

BUT, you never heard the whole story.

The deal was, I had hit my baby sister cause she did something I didn't like. My father informed me that he was the person who doled out the spankings in the family and reinforced it with a spanking to me. What did I do? I tried to block it, I also happend to have a peice of small lumber in my hand at the moment (maybe I used that on my sister now that I think about it, all the more reason my dad was pissed) his hand hit mine, and the wood lodged between my hand and my ass, causing the fracture.

Lesson learned, take the punishment. I fully knew I was in the wrong and tried to avoid it.

Any kid today would bring that up in the hospital and get their father charged with abuse.

Why didn't I? RESPECT (something wholy lacking in children today) I respected my father and knew that I was in the wrong. Accidents happen and I caused it by trying to duck out.

Later in life I swore at my father, told him to fuck himself to his face at 15 or so, he punched me but since he is shorter then me he got me in the throat, no damage done but being the punk kid I was, I milked it to the max, LOL. We went to the hospital to get it checked out. Again an oppertunity for getting him charged. Again I didn't, AGAIN I knew I was in the wrong.

Did my father go overboard, possibly, maybe he let his anger get to him a little to much. Should he be called an abuser? no freaking way.

I'm personally glad that my father maybe went a bit overboard rather then just let me float through life.

I'm positive that I'm a better person because I was spanked and disiplined.

BTW my father was in the military, and so was his father.

I didn't have to call him sir though

I will strive to do better then him in anger managment. But I could do alot worse then to emulate his techniques in child raising.

I hope to get by with a little less spanking and a little more communication. He didn't have the advantage I do though as I wasn't his son. He adopted me at 5 after marrying my mother. Being a step dad certainly didn't help him much I'm sure, as he got started 5 years too late. After being raised mostly by my mother and grandparents and most certainly WAY over spoiled.

Boy sometimes I think I let you guys know way to much about my personal life. but oh well.

Oh and don't mistake respect for fear. I didn't fear my father and nor will my son fear me. I just knew when I was being a dumbass, or realized it after I did it. We certainly didn't get along well all the time and a fathers role isn't to be your best friend. Something todays parents don't seem to realize. We had good times and we had bad times, most of the bad was my fault. He taught me alot and fostered interests in areas where I have surpassed him. I used to think I knew everything "as he used to remind me all the time" but now at 27 I consult and bounce ideas off him all the time. And as does he ask me for advice, only in adulthood do I think a father and son can become true equals, and you still never quite catch up.

Another sign of how much I trust in his fathering? I would have no problems leaving my son in his sole care if I died. And would know that someone capable was at the helm. I could not say the same for very many people at all, only my wife and mother.

posted 08-20- 12:13 PM               

Half grades prepare lagging students for promotion
http://fyi.cnn.com/2001/fyi/teachers.ednews/08/17/half.grades.ap/index.html

posted 08-20- 01:59 PM               

It also creates more dues paying members for the Union since we now need 3.5, 4.5, 5.5 etc. grade teachers in addition to the regular 4,5 and 6 ones. I'm sure the NEA supports this.

posted 08-20- 05:40 PM               

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posted 08-20- 06:05 PM               

Bottom line, our school system, many parents, and society as a whole seem to be afraid to demand higher standards of behavior so as not to appear "better than you are" or because they don't want to "hurt someone's feelings". Like Smokey said, teachers never used to be afraid to flunk students.

posted 08-20- 06:26 PM               

When I went for my yearly interview, my superintendent asked me if I had plans to go into administration. I had all I could do to not burst out laughing....if I had known when I got into education that it was so twisted and discombobulated (sp?) in politics, I would've found something else right quick.

But-- I have invested a lot of money in school loans and am now three years into this school-- I have lots to lose if I start over- and frankly wouldn't know what to do if I did leave. So-- I do the best I can where I am at with the resolution that as a whole-- education is severely fu$*ed in our country and I am not sure it will ever be changed. Even I remember in elementary (and that was in the 70's) being scared to death of the pricipal's paddle. If we ever did what some of the oung kids do now- they would've nailed us to the gymnasium walls.

So Jerry-- really- no offense taken. I know if is screwed up....and can only change what I can Still-- I will post here when the website is done so you can see that all hope is not lost....there are many teachers around here who don't get paid what they are worth-- and actually spend their own money to buy things for their classes that the district doesn't pay for. Maybe one day it will be the teachers getting paid what they are worth-- and the pro atheletes get paid for what they actually do-- not what they have the "potential" to do....rant off!

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posted 08-20- 07:21 PM               

About the kids. Yes they seem to fail the kids.

Its insane. I never failed a grade or was put back and I converted from full french school for 1st and 2nd grade to full english in 3rd. I spend extra time learning how to read in english (although I already could).

If someone is having a hard enough time passing a class then they arn't ready to move forward. Not even half a grade.

About that particular program. This is probly wishfull thinking on my part BUT, its seems that what they say is they put the student who didn't do well enough to advance and they spend the next year in a seperate set of classes, accelerated classes.

Cause they say if they do well they rejoin their classmates the next fall.

That sounds to me like they are saying if you strugggle through 4th grade and don't make it you go into 4.5 for a year and if you do well enough you go into 6 again to rejoin the peers you were with in 4.

If thats what they are doing then I guess thats kinda cool, as they hold you back and give you extra help to accel and help you out even more then just holding you back a grade.

They probly arn't doing that though but actually just holding you back but are calling it 4.5 to be nice to ya, afraid of damaging your delicate ego.

Jerry, your losing me on this analogy you used. It sounds like your trying to explain to me why its a bad idea, but I had already stated that it was a bad idea.

And no they probly wouldn't buy the piece, and it would be my fault for not listening to the customers needs and wants. And of course I shouldn't be rewarded for that effort, because it was the WRONG effort. Which is what I think you were trying to point out.

Hey guys theres all this talk about parenting and how todays parents try to be their kids friends instead of parenting.

We all agree thats wrong.

But what is your discription of a good father?

Personally I still see friendship in there, just not to the extent some people take it to.

To me a father is.

A protector
A provider
A disipline giver
A teacher
A friend
And as cheesy as it sounds, (I can't think of better words) A provider of love. After all if you give your son everything else but never teach him love for his family, friends and fellow man, he will never be a man.

The order those duties fall into change as your child grows of course, like when my son is 20 I will still be his father and he will still be my son. He will no longer need my protection, no to be provided for (we can hope or my disipline, but he will still need a teacher and a friend.

posted 08-20- 07:24 PM               

I skipped class in grade 5 all the time, to the point that my teacher came and picked me up on his way to school to make sure I made it to class (my parents had to leave before me to make it to work on time)

Now thats a teacher, and a friend.

posted 08-21- 10:58 AM               

Examples that just floor me: (first hand experience from my step-daughter and young son)...

1.) "Results not written on test in order to help the under-achievers to not feel inadequate." - Oh my lord... Heaven forbid those who didn't study for the test might feel like bloody losers for not doing so.

2.) "Not keeping score during gym team-activities. Reason being they don't want whose who are less physically capable from feeling inadequate and also avoid the losing team from feeling defeated." - Gee, let's just stifle all natural competitive urges while we are at it!

I could go on and on...

Nut shell, the "system" is working so hard to protect the children that it's doing more harm than good.

What do you think happens to these protected children when faced with the harshness of the "real world"? I shudder at the consequences.

I was raised hard. I understood who was to be respected. God, parents, teachers, state / government servants (police etc.), teachers and all adults. I addressed then as "sir and miss" (I still do today).. I feared my parents... Not for fear of being punished but for fear of disappointing them. I felt I was owed nothing I didn't work for... and I was appreciative of all I ever had.

Now day’s children respect nothing... in instances not even themselves. They have little in the way of moral centers... and feel they are owed everything, despite never actually earning it. They have no fear of retribution for their actions, because they have no conscious.

IMHO, “Spare the rod and spoil the child,” means more today than it ever did.

Sadly most parents today are so fixated on themselves and their careers that they have little time to give their children “tough love” and find it much easier to follow the “doc spoc” horseshit than to be responsible for their children and ultimately are so brain washed to believe that society is to blame for their maladjusted children.

posted 08-21- 11:49 AM               

In answer to your question: "What do you think happens to these protected children when faced with the harshness of the "real world?" We are already seeing it.

posted 08-21- 12:51 PM               

You guys could get me going all day!... This is one of those subjects (not that you couldn't tell)... that really bugs me to no end.

Re: punishment...

My boys only three, however he says "please and thank-you in every instance that is appropriate (and needs no coaching).

He knows he gets two warnings before I tear into his ass (however on occasion he tests this to see if I really mean it) A spanking is never given while I'm pissed off... (I'm 260 lb ex-powerlifter and in rage I have a difficult time judging my strength).

He's not perfect... in fact he a little monster sometimes. Happily however, he's better than the majority of pre-school classmates.

I once sat in horror watching his class... Absolutely no dicipline was evident in the other children. They ignored the teachers requests, they were selfish and self gratifying, some swore like sailors and when faced with an impass with another child immediately resorted to physical violence (hell most could barely vocalize as it was)...

Point being... These are "three year-old children." The majority of their social skills are derived from their homelife...

Doesn't this just speak volumes regarding the majorty of adult, parenting skills?

Again sadly... these same parents will blame society of their childrens lot in life.

<>... look what you guys have me doing. I'm ranting "again"

posted 08-21- 10:24 PM               

LOL Burkey, your sure right.

hehe

About the real world. I have a know a woman who is insanly christian, now I know some of you guys are or might be and I have nothing against any of you cause you havn't tried to push it on us but this chick is looney.

To her everything is the work of the devil, Her husband got Episode one and it has a picture of darthmaul on the front, well thats not allowed in her house.

Rock music? Nope not allowed. All kinds of crazy stuff.

Her kids are going to be in for a rude awakening when they grow up a bit and their parents aren't the center of their lives.

She is a born again, so she is more then a little off the edge.

I wish I could think of more craziness but I can't.

No results on tests and no score? WTF? Whats the point? You can be sure there is still some kids keeping score. Are they forgetting the value of teaching a kid how to be a good loser?

None of that crap is protecting children, its just avoiding the tough issues.

And I agree with Zur, they do fixate on work and money. What good is money without being able to enjoy it with your family.

I'm trying to set our life up so we can both work part time and still make good money just so we can be at home more with our kid (maybe kids by then). And at the same time parents all the time are working crazy overtime thinking all this money is going to somehow help out their kids.

"Well we want our kids to have all the stuff we never had." Bullshit, they might get the material goods you never had but they don't need that. That crap doesn't make them a well rounded indevidual. And your forgetting the most important ingredient. A FREAKING PARENT.

posted 08-22- 08:54 AM               

...However, We make a point to sit at the dinner table and eat supper (no TV no radio.. just the sound of the Zur family munching). After which I spend quality time with my boy playing "something"... be it lining up Armymen and dinosuars and mowing'm ovr with Hot Wheels or reading books or firing up one of his favorite Blue Clues PC games (the damn kid has better computing skills than half the people I service).

Point being, I'm not planted in front of the TV or pouring over the Wall st. Journal. I'm making time for my kid.

posted 08-22- 11:02 PM               

Maybe in the future your fortunes will change and you can spend more time with him.

I have to admit that I am very luck to be able to stay at home.

But if we want to start moving forward in life (as in saving for some land and such) then I have to start working, right now we are just living month to month.