posted 05-25- 09:30 PM               

All of the below is from a one of those websites.

These are some comments by one of the most well-known log house builders -- Mr. Bob Johnson. Bob has been building log houses for many years. He is now semi-retired, and travels extensively.
People who know Bob realize that he is a Philosopher and a Political Activist.

"LOST FREEDOM" IN AMERICA;

The Communist Manifesto represents a misguided philosophy, which teaches citizens to give up their RIGHTS for the sake of the "common good."

The Communist approach to government has always resulted in a police state.

Read carefully...

THE TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO;

1. Abolition of private property.
2. A heavy progressive income tax.

3. Abolition of rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. The establishment of a Central Bank.

6. Government control of Communication and Transportation.

7. Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8. Government control of labor.

9. Corporate farms, regional planning.

10. Government control of education.

A FEW THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND ABOUT THE ABOVE TEN PLANKS;
1. You don’t really "own" your home if the government can force you to pay taxes on it – and this is even more true if the government can "seize" it if you fail to pay the taxes.
2. America has a very heavy progressive income tax. Our tax laws have intentionally been made so complicated that it is impossible to understand them. This enables the I.R.S. to confiscate your property (real and personal) without due process of law.

3. Americans are all but "taxed out" of their inheritance.

4. In America, people are being arrested for leaving the country with large amounts of cash. The cash is often confiscated without due process of law. These people with cash are presumed to be drug dealers, and they are considered to be "guilty" until they prove themselves innocent. Rebels are tried in courts where the juries are told that they must obey the judges.

This means that the rebels are denied the "trial by jury" that is guaranteed by our laws.

5. America has a Central Banking system. Even worse, our Central Banking System is dominated and controlled by the Federal Reserve Board. Is the Federal Reserve Board a U.S. Government agency ???

6. The American Government is in total control of our communication and transportation systems. This is accomplished through licenses and fines.

7. The American Government controls our factories and agriculture – via such agencies as W.I.S.H.A., O.S.H.A., E.P.A., W.H.O.O.P.S., farm subsidies, by establishing minimum wages, etc., etc.

8. The American Government has achieved almost total control of our nation's labor pool – by regulating unions, by regulating industrial management, and by the factors listed in #7, above.

9. Small farms in America are almost a thing of the past. Most of our food is being produced, and brought to market, by large corporations that are controlled by the government – through subsidies, regulations, etc. Every region in America has a "Regional Planning" department.

10. Obviously, our Government has almost "total" control of the educational system in our country. Legally, your children are "wards of the state" until they are 18 years of age.

The bottom line is this…
"Our government uses "force" to take money from you – so they can give your money to people who didn’t work for it."

Isn’t this Communism ???

Of course it is Comunism – but many Americans are willing to accept the Communism because it provides them with a false sense of "security."

Are you willing to trade your "freedom" for "security" ???

Samuel Adams said,

"If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animated contest of freedom, then go home from us in peace We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen".
Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797) said;
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

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Thats point 7 out of a HUGE 8 part article on whats wrong with America today, I'm not sure how many of you will agree with the above, but I know some will agree with some of his statements.

Alot of it is about justice, freedom and goverment interference.

I don't personally agree with all of it but I see where he is coming from.

posted 05-25- 10:19 PM               

See the government doesnt directly control the banks, the postal service, Communication and Transportation etc... They are goverment regulated, not controlled. Theres a difference. Those regulations can and do change. The government is also there to protect the people and the peopls rights. Hence the Bill of Rights (And other right statements in the Constitution and State constitutions)

Under Communism, the government gets the last say and controls everything no questions asked. Under a Democracy the people do. The government may have regulations over many things, but those regulations were put there by the people.

The Federal Reserve really isnt a true government agency. In fact its set up where its not supposed to be.

Also keep in mind there are many types of government in the U.S., Local, state, and Federal... No one form of government controls everything. The power is divided so it all balances out. Also each branch of the Federal govt. checks each other and itself. That way the no part of the Federal govt. will get too powerful. The states also have certain rights that the Federal govt. doesnt have and the Federal govt. has rights that the states dont have.

About education, the State govt. mainly controls the education policies. And normal people like you and me can get into the State govts and take action. Heck anyone whos lived in the U.S. for a certian amount of time and is a natural born citizen can become President! Totally impossible under communism...

Another thing, the IRS wont take away your home if its the only place youve got of residence. They may take everything in it, but not the house itself.

posted 05-25- 10:20 PM            

But I'll tell you something you may not realize, ALL people are self motivated and go about nothing without the preconceived notion of what's in it for me, how can I benefit. This is the way of the world and it's not only in the US.

If you think for a single moment that Canadians are not equal in their greed and lust for these same self motovations your a dumb ass.

And this is not only inclusive to the Western Hemisphere, this is becoming the way of the world and there aint a shittin thing you or anyone else can do about it.

My question to you is; Is Canada a communist state? (rhetorical)

P

I got to thinking, "Off Topic" is for me getting more and more like "Flame Wars" When I returned to FS Forum I promised myself that I wouldn't go back to Flame Wars for personal reasons.

I'm not really good a politics and don't care that I'm not. Therefore from now on I will not voice my opinion here in Off Topic unless it is something I'm interested in, politics I'm not.

Some things I'm passionate about and they get me kinda hot, feels like "Flame Wars to me. So be that as it may, I resign my defense of the US and will no longer participate in politics.

posted 05-25- 10:36 PM               

PSI, I said that I did not write that so you don't have to repond to me. I just brought it up cause I thought the guy was a quack and wanted to see how you guys felt about it.

So please refrain from calling me a dumb ass.

posted 05-25- 10:50 PM               

But the heart of his issue is too much goverment in our lives, Something I think some people here agree with. He doesn't care if its federal, state or local, all of it is too much.

Here is the link to the rest of the essay, most of it a little more level headed then the above.

http://www.premier1.net/~loghouse/political.html

Please read it and see if there is anything in there you agree with.

Same with you PSI, Just remember I didn't write it, I don't want you to stop discussing this stuff.

I find the stuff about Jurys most interesting.

Also PSI, I posted it here because I know some people don't visit the flame section, I didn't want to start a flame war but a true discussion.

posted 05-25- 10:53 PM               

About Canada being a commie state, well we are as far as you americans are conserned, because of our health care system.

Thats another reason I posted, because it was an american accusing the US of being commie and I found that kinda funny.

posted 05-25- 10:55 PM               

IMO, truthfully, nothing short of a armed uprising and a forced period of Isolationism for the country as a whole could return it to the position it once held; and these things are totally impossible now, unless a very large number of citizens were willing to risk losing everything they have ever had - including their lives and the lives of their loved ones - to make it happen. And control is so great, such a thing coming to pass is extremely unlikely.

Is the guy a quack? No, not really - he speaks truth, something we can still do ( on a limited basis ). Is it ALL truth? Well, that is dependent upon one's perception, and lifestyle. If you have a Mercedes, a BMW, a 750,000$ home, and all the amenities - then he's a quack, and none of it is true. If you are relatively comfortable and happy, with food and shelter, then those are lies, and dangerous statements, but once in a while, when nothing good is on TV and the evening is warm, comfortable, and quiet, one might just sit back over a cold brew and think - 'y'know, that guy may just have something there' as memories of Grandpa's old scrapbook fill your mind, and thoughts of what it must have been like to have suffered through the American Revolution, the American Civil War, or any terrible conflict whose ultimate goal was to lift the burden of 'police states, float through your head. 'Why?', you might wonder, and such a article may start to sit heavy on your perceived American conscience. But only briefly.

hehe...I usually keep my opinions on these issues private, as they are based on my views and knowledge acquired over 50+ years of the life I have led. They are right, and correct, for me, and cannot be changed; but others who have led different lives will hold different views. One can learn not only from recorded history, but history lived. The sad thing is that, in America, we may have stopped learning, even from 'quacks'.

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posted 05-25- 11:01 PM               

Maybe quack was the wrong word, you have to admit that he is off center though.

He points to problems in america, problems more americans should look at themselves, and problems every similar country (canada included ) should look at.

posted 05-26- 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by DanW:
I find it frieghtening that we loose so many Americans each day as they flee to Canada and away from our oppressive government.

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Out of the frying pan in to the fire, I'm afraid.

Werner

posted 05-26- 11:44 AM               

I'm just pointing it out cause I thought it was interesting, and wanted to see some discussion on it, NOT start a US vrs Canada bullshit session.

My personally viewpoint is we need balence, balence between personal freedoms and social benifits.

posted 05-26- 12:31 PM               

Show me a communist democracy!

communism a type of government system that works until it leaders get too greedy (thats what happened in russia). but it works in china,

Tell that to the students from Tianamin Square or the 800+ people that were executed in China last week.

and supposbly cuba but i know not a lot about cuba.

Ask the Cuban refugees in Miami or the thousands that drowned trying to escape.

posted 05-27- 01:12 AM               

Its a great idea in a system where everyone is equal and no one is more important then another.

posted 05-27- 11:59 AM               

As Spanky says, a balance is what is needed, although my pessimism leads me to believe it cannot be acheived. Harmony is required, and like in music, harmony takes practice to be attained perfectly. Being human, nothing we can ever do will be perfect. Machines cannot do it either, since machines must be created by humans. We are not perfect; perhaps this is a good thing, because if we were we might stop questioning, and if we stop questioning, we stop learning.

Nurse Ratchett!! I'll take those meds now!

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