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Topic: K I'm confused, Liberals and conservatives?
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 05-23- 05:14 PM
   
K guys, give me a short simple, discription of each. IP: Logged |
Falck
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posted 05-23- 06:39 PM
The actual view:Liberals favor more government intervention in things, conservatives prefer less government. The cynical view: Liberals are a bunch of commies and conservatives are a bunch of pro-business/pro-rich tools. IP: Logged |
Lothar
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posted 05-23- 06:52 PM
I like this definition better:Liberals are for personal freedom and against financial freedom. Conservatives are for financial freedom and against personal freedom. The "more or less government" test doesn't work: conservatives love lots of government when its military to protect their overseas financial interests, or police to inforce their ideas of how people should conduct their personal lives. IP: Logged |
Psi
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posted 05-23- 07:01 PM
J-E-R-R-Y!!!IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 05-23- 07:03 PM
Liberals are for personal freedoms? Like gun ownership, smoking, eating red meat, cutting down trees on your own land, driving SUV's, wearing fur, keeping your money when you are successful, praying in school?Give me time, I'll think of more. IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 05-23- 08:12 PM
Jerry, what about conservatives? IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 05-23- 09:31 PM
What about them? I was just responding to Lothar's statement that Liberals aren't against personal freedoms. I don't think blanket statements apply to either party when it comes to legislating behavior.As for a simple definition I think Falck's will do. IP: Logged |
Lothar
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posted 05-23- 10:12 PM
Jerry, where'd you get your list of the Liberal agenda from? I guess I missed all the "vote down red meat" editorials in the paper.IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 05-23- 10:27 PM
Jerry must be talking about Liberals from some place else. Here they're rabidly anti personal freedoms. Mind you most of our political parties are exactly the same. They only care about getting re-elected and just looking like they're doing things for the people who pay the bastards.[This message has been edited by Sunray (edited 05-24-2001).] IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
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posted 05-23- 10:48 PM
Yup, Sunray's right on the money with that. Just recently, for instance, the government gave itself the power to open and copy any correspondence in the mail, going into or out of the country. No word of a lie. Werner ------------------
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Jerry
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posted 05-24- 12:14 AM
Lothar, ever hear of Animal Rights Activists? They don't want animals killed for food or clothing, especially mammals. You going to tell me that PETA is a right wing group?  IP: Logged |
Lothar
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posted 05-24- 12:47 AM
Geez, Jerry. Thats a stretch. Should I name the white suprmacists and the militia types as examples of the conservative agenda?IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 05-24- 01:05 AM
Lothar, this is what happens when you try to make a blanket statement about all liberals and all conservatives like you did. There are extremists on both sides, don't forget that great environmentalist the Unibomber. What Spanky is asking for is a simple definition and I think Falck did this. He didn't say Conservatives want no government, just less.[This message has been edited by Jerry (edited 05-24-2001).] IP: Logged |
DanW
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posted 05-24- 10:37 AM
Jerry, you make blank statements like that all the time as well. Pot calling kettle black. We all do...
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Jerry
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posted 05-24- 11:13 AM
Yes I do...when we are talking about particular issues (gun control, taxes, abortion, capital punishment, welfare, etc.) we all assign positions to one side or the other, knowing full well there are exceptions. (I'm for gun control for example and as I recall you're not).I think Spanky's question is a little different. Spanky isn't asking for specific issue positions of the two camps, just a simple definition of the fundamental differences between liberals and conservatives. IMO, and Falck's, the role of government is the fundamental difference. Liberals want more overall government involvement and Conservatives want less. This is why the two sides are always at odds over taxes. The liberals recognize that their agenda (the specific programs) requires tax dollars. The Conservatives know that the liberal agenda will be hampered by limiting those tax dollars - dam up the river and the lake goes dry. Any discussion beyond that basic definition gets into how those tax dollars (limited or otherwise) are going to be spent (personal freedoms vs. control, military spending vs. social programs, etc). But the fundamental differences, the basic "line in the sand" has already been drawn when you get to that point. I think Spanky is looking for the fundamental difference. [This message has been edited by Jerry (edited 05-24-2001).] IP: Logged |
Stark
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posted 05-24- 11:31 AM
The militia types actually are usually Libertarian or Anarchist in politcal alignment - putting them well outside the definition of Liberal or Conservative, both of whom acknowledge the need for government, wheras Libertarian to a certain extent and Anarchist to a much greater one feel that Government is not needed at all.A better parrallel to PETA would be the NRA or perhaps the Christian Coalition. I'm pretty certain that if you asked you would find that 90%+ of PETA members register Democrat and vote along liberal agendas. 90%+ of the Christian Coalition are probably Republcians and vote along conservative agendas. While we make a big deal of liberal -v- conseravtive and Rep -v- Dem the reality is that most people are firmly in the middle and will agree with elements from each side of the arguments - this is why the balance of power in this country shits so often between the 2 parties. -Stark IP: Logged |
Psi
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posted 05-24- 12:41 PM
Don't say I never did anything for ya Jerry  P IP: Logged |
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