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smoketrail@6
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posted 01-14- 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for smoketrail@6   Click Here to Email smoketrail@6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A movie about 2 snipers during ww2 in Stalingrad. There are some great scenes here, including a fighter straffing some boats.
Check the trailer out at:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/enemy_at_the_gates/

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 01-15- 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

LOoks cool, Sept for the love story part.

Could be good.

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semmern
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posted 01-15- 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for semmern   Click Here to Email semmern     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems cool enough, but as Spanky sez, love stories and war films don't always make a good mix.

[This message has been edited by semmern (edited 01-15-2001).]

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Burkey
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posted 01-16- 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Burkey   Click Here to Email Burkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This one is going to be good. I don't think the love interest will spoil it, its too smart for that. the bombed out set, which is apparently berlin looks amazing. Anybody ever been to berlin? it still looks like that. Bullet holes in every wall. The Stukas diving look incredible. I think this one might be a SPR beater....

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Aladar
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posted 01-18- 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aladar   Click Here to Email Aladar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was that Danny Davito?

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Gustang
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posted 01-18- 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gustang   Click Here to Email Gustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Was that Danny Davito?

If you're talking about the russian commander (going from memory here) from the trailer. I believe you're talking about Bob Hoskins (remember Who Framed Roger Rabbit?).

I get them mixed up too.

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Aladar
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posted 01-18- 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aladar   Click Here to Email Aladar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhhh... gotcha. I've always wondered why they havent been making more WWII movies with some decent planes.

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Jerry
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posted 01-18- 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aladar, have you seen the trailer for Pearl Harbor?

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 01-19- 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Actually I thought it was supposed to be about stalingrad. So wouldnt that be the city they are in?

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gt
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posted 01-19- 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gt   Click Here to Email gt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now this is the true story behind it
(NOT THE HOLLYWOOD STUFF....)

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SGT ZAITSEV AGAINST MAJOR KÖNING

TRUE STORY ON THE LEGENDARY DUEL

BETWEEN SOVIETS TOP SNIPER AND GERMANYS TOP SNIPER

STALINGRAD ,DECEMBER 1942

vasili zaitsev was credited with killing over two hundred Germans. In addition, he set up an unofficial sniper school in the remains of the vast Lazur chemical plant.

The training was rudimentary but sufficient to improve a soldier's chances of survival and his ability to kill Germans the bottom line of this. academy in the rubble. After a course lasting only two days the graduate" would immediately take up his position at the front. The Red Army snipers were a constant thorn in the side of the German Sixth Army command;morale fell and attacks lacked determination when every soldier felt himself under the stare of a telescopic sight.As the Germans became aware of the celebrity of Zaitsev through captured Soviet newspaper reports, they decided that he must be eliminated as part of a campaign to arrest sniper supremacy from the Red Army. Major Konings, the chief instructor of the Zossen sniper school near Berlin, was despatched to Stalingrad.A noted marksman, Konings was considered the best man to take on the wily Zaitsev. Amid the noise and horror of the industrial war machine, the struggle was reduced to its essence, the confrontation of man against man. Zaitsev and his fellow snipers became aware of Konings' presence, and every effort was made to locate him,

as Zaitsev revealed in a post-war memoir:

Every sniper put forward his speculations and guesses arising from his day's observation of the enemy forward positions. All sorts of different proposals and baits were discussed. I knew the style of the Nazi snipers by their fire and camouflage and without any difficulty could tell the experienced snipers from the novices, the cowards from the stubbom, experienced enemies. But the character of the Head of the School [Konings] was still a mystery to me. He presumably altered his position frequently and was looking as carefully for me as I was for him.

Then something happened: my friend Morozov was killed and Sheykin. wounded by a rifle with Telescopic sights. Morozov and Sheykin were considered experienced snipers; they often emerged victorious from the most difficult skirmishes with the enemy. Now there was no doubt. They had come up against the Nazi 'super-sniper" I was looking for.

Taking along his spotter, Nikolai Kulikov, Zaitsev roamed across the city for several days, cautiously inspecting the enemy front lines for any sign of the German. As the light was beginning to fade one evening they found him. Konings had set up an ambush designed to force a Soviet sniper to give away his position, but Zaitsev had spotted the ruse and now began to close in to locate Konings' exact position. Zaitsev's discovery auracted interest and a political commisoner went along to help. The commissnar's curiosity almost proved his undoing when, for only a second, he raised himself above the parapet. It was enough for Konings, and his well-aimed shot flung the commissar back into the trench, wounded. Zaitsev explained the final stages of his duel with Konings:

For a long time I examined the enemy positions, but could not detect. his hiding-place. From the speed with which he had fired I came to the conclusion that the sniper was some where directly ahead of us. I continued to watch. To the left was a tank, out of action, and on the right was a pillbox. Between the tank and the pillbox, on a stretch of level ground, lay a sheet of iron and a small pile of broken bricks. It had been lying there a long time and we had grown accustomed to it being there. I put myself in the enemy's position and thought where better for a sniper? One had only to make a firing slit under the sheet of metal, and then creep up to it during the night.

Yes, he was certainly there, under the sheet of metal in no-mans land. I thought I would make sure. I put a mitten on the end of a small plank and raised it. The Nazi fell for it. I carefully let the plank down in the same position as I had raised it and examined the bullet-hole. It had gone straight through from the front; that meant that the Nazi was under the sheet of metal.

Now came the question of luring even a part of his head into my sights. It was useless trying to do this straight away. Time was needed But I had been able to study the German's temperament. He was not going to leave the successful position he had found. We were therefore going to have to change our position.

We worked by night and were in position by dawn. The sun rose. Kulikov took a blind shot; we had to rouse the sniper's curiosity. We had decided to spend the morning waiting, as we might have been given away by the sun on our telescopic sights. After lunch our rifles were in the shade and the sun was. shining directly on to the German's position. At the edge of the sheet of metal something was glittering: an odd bit of glass or telescopic sights? Kulikov carefully as only the most experienced can do began to raise his helmet. The German fired. For a fraction of a second Kulikov rose and screamed. The German believed that he had finally got the Soviet sniper he had been hunting for four days, and half raised his head from beneath the sheet of metal. That was what I had been banking on. I took careful aim. The German's head fell back, and the telescopic sights of his rifle lay motionless, glistening in the sun ...


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cheers
gt

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Mighty
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posted 01-19- 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mighty   Click Here to Email Mighty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a similar standoff in Vietnam between a Marine and Vietnamese sniper. I believe the name of the book was Marine Sniper. Don't remember they guy's name.

From memory, the Marine sniper was known to the Vietnamese and they sent their crack sniper to take him on. The Vietnamese sniper set up a sniper ambush. He started attacking the Marine base from the same area every day and took a similar escape route. After a few days the Marine sniper followed his trail.

The Vietnamese had a series of traps set up. First, he had a fake campsite, which could be attacked from an obvious position. Near that position he had left a little rice in order to attract some birds, to act as a natural-looking alarm. Obviously, he had a good position to ambush anyone attacking the fake site.

I don't remember all of the details, but the snipers ended up becoming aware of and hunting each other. The one shot by the Marine supposedly was fired at a glint of light and travelled directly down the scope of the Vietnamese' rifle.

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Burkey
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posted 01-22- 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Burkey   Click Here to Email Burkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky, it is supposed to be Stalingrad but as Berlin still shows much War damage they have decided to film there.....

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Sport
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posted 01-23- 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sport   Click Here to Email Sport     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah yes, it took me a week to remember the title, it was "War of the Rats". The title of the book that the movie must be based on. It came out a couple of years ago, and was the result of years of research. It is a must read for anyone with interest in WWII or the Great Patriotic War. I listened to the story on tape {long commute}and found it a very intense and sobering look at the war. It is hard to imagine how the movie makers can duplicate the mood and thoughts of the snipers but we will hopfully soon see. Oh and in a recorded interview the auther, he confessed that the romance was his idea, so don't blame Hollywood for that. Night all.

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Tailslide
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posted 02-27- 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I came across this:

"The film doesn't come out until February, but it's already being accused of being historically inaccurate. The movie explores a supposedly true duel between a Russian and a German sniper during the Battle of Stalingrad, but according to Antony Beevor, author of the best-selling Stalingrad, the duel never happened. "I made it quite clear in Stalingrad that the whole story was pure propaganda and fiction," Beevor told London's Express. (Jeannette Walls) "

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Stark
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posted 02-27- 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That doesn't surprise me at all. Most of the stories that come out of war and survive for decades (even centuries) aftewards are complete fabrications. And really, who cares? I will go see it because it looks to be a good movie that does a good job portraying the urban warfare fought by Germany and Russia in WWII. The facts in movies will never be 100%...or usually even 10%. The factual works are called documentaries, not movies. I watch documentaries for information and movies for entertainment.

-Stark

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Jerry
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posted 02-27- 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Saving Private Ryan" wasn't true either but it wasn't too shabby.

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ZooL
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posted 02-27- 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ZooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i thought it was based on a true story....?

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