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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-18- 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Hi guys at my parents for the holidays and brought my computer.

My brother has cable internet and we want to play lan games and share the internet connection.

I bought a network kit and it comes witha basic d-link hub and nics and crap

We both have nics but i'm returning the kit right before i go home so i just got the kit for the cables.

So anyways I know i have to set up software and stuff, but does anyone know what network settings and protocols i have to use?

And any recommendations for software?

Thanks

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Da Jug head
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posted 12-19- 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Da Jug head   Click Here to Email Da Jug head     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Spanky,

If you have Win98 SE or WinME, there should be a section on sharing internet connections in the windows help files.

If your OS is older you'll have to get something like WinProxy.

Also, get Zonealarm. It's free firewall software that will keep someone from hacking your computers when you're online for a long time. (I get pinged at least a dozen times each day). the url is http://www.zonelabs.com/


You'll need to use the TCP/IP protocol for the best and smoothest integration of your LAN and internet connection.

Most people use 128.0.0.X for their local TCP/IP addresses. This is because the other numbers assigned for lans limit the number of computers connected. There are some advantages though to using the others. I use 10.0.0.X for mine, but you can only connect 8 computers on your LAN with this group. If I had 8 computers connected, my wife would hold an auction and I wouldn't have any. We have 3 connected this way in our home.

If you need more info, e-mail me.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-19- 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

cool stuff man.

K another quick one for ya.

I'm using win98 original he is using SE so i'm guessing we will have to use some extra software.

About the hub, its just a bargin basement hub, it was 70 canadian for the whole package so you can imagine, its a 5 port and has a light for each connection.

I got the cable going from the modem to the first port, and the second port going to the computer originaly hooked to the cable modem.

and the third port going to my computer which is set up for my DSL connection at home, but I shut off the auto connect on it.

So the lights come on on the hub showing the computers in the 2and 3 port but no light for the 1 port with the modem. Is that normal?

Also shouldn't the computer that originaly was hooked to the modem still be able to connect and surf?


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Da Jug head
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posted 12-19- 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Da Jug head   Click Here to Email Da Jug head     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Spanky, Some of what you're doing I haven't had to do cuz I have an internal DSL modem on my "server".

First- Check the help files on Win98SE. With WinME, if I have a computer with the original 98 it creates a floppy I use to install internet sharing on the computers running the old OS.

Some questions:
Is the cable modem an external or internal modem? Did your brother have a NIC already installed in his computer the cable modem was connected to (if it was an external modem)? This is important because in some setups for external modems you need two NICs in the computer connected to the modem. One connection runs to the hub and the other runs to the modem. In this case your computer becomes the gateway device for the network, and the modem uses it's own TCP/IP designation provided by the ISP server.


I know how the Cisco modems work, but I don't know how the cable modems are set up. Check with the cable company and see if they have instructions on how to configure everything. If they have them on the web, you may have to return your brother's computer to it's original configuration to access it. I'd only do this if they want to charge you for the information.

There are some other issues that may pop up. I think you can see why I said you could e-mail me if you want to.

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Luny
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posted 12-20- 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luny   Click Here to Email Luny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky if you want to plug the modem directly to the hub youll need a "routeur" (think its the same word in english), the easiest way to share is to leave the modem connected to one NIC on your bro's puter, and add a second nic in it to connect to the hub, put one Nic in your comp and plug it in the hub.
Then use a software routeur on your bro's comp (wingate does this).
For Lan play you may need the IPX protocol, on top of Tcp/ip, to be installed on both comps (some games only use this one for Lan play).

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-20- 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

I picked up sysgate, it has a 30 day trial.

It has a mode that you can do what i'm saying using only one nic, but the nic he does have installed isn't in the pull down menu to select from.

So i'm going to try the dual nic option.

Thanks guys and i'll get back if we get it running

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Mighty
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posted 12-20- 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mighty   Click Here to Email Mighty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, you don't strictly have to have a router. I can plug my cable modem directly into my hub. But I have to plug it into the "uplink port." The uplink port is shared with port 8 on my hub. I'm pretty sure it's because the only difference with the uplink port is the wiring is reversed. If you can get a cable with the wires swapped you should be able to plug the cable modem into the hub.

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Luny
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posted 12-21- 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luny   Click Here to Email Luny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rgr that Mighty forgot about this one, we call the cable needed a "crossed" cable here, the same you can use to connect two hubs together or two comps without a hub ?

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-21- 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Yeah we call it that here too.

Once i switched the last port to uplink and plugged the modem into that that light lit up.

I still can't get my client computer to access the web though,

Nor can i get the computer normaly hooked up to the web to work through the hub this way.

I'll keep trying though.

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ReaperMan
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posted 12-21- 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReaperMan   Click Here to Email ReaperMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just got a cheap little hub and hooked up my old computer. Mine is running WinME and the other has WinSE installed. I'm running a proxy so the other can access the net and all that good stuff.
Definitely want to have TCP/IP installed for the network adapters and maybe NetBEUI too.
And, Client for Microsoft Networks so you can log on to the network.
Right now I'm sharing the internet connection between the two, but I'm dialing out with 2 modems (multilink). Working pretty well so far.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-21- 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

K i got the modem working through the hub by using the uplink port.

but never got it to share

So we reinstalled win98 on the server computer and spent all freaking day trying to get it back on the net, only to find out we wern't entering the login correctly.

LOL

ah well back go the grind.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-22- 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Yep after getting my brothers computer back on the net.

All we had to do was reinstall sygate software and make a client disk for my comptuer and we were up and running right away.

We didn't even have to configure the software.

In fact i'm almost afraid to open the config menu for it.

LOL

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-22- 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

Oh yeah when I download it seems to be bursty.

Not sure If I want to play with it, but it seems like it might not be any good for online playing then.

COurse I could just use my brothers.

At least I'm surfing without fighting my brother and sister for the net comptuer now though.

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Da Jug head
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posted 12-22- 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Da Jug head   Click Here to Email Da Jug head     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd at least give playing online a try Spanky. The amount of info passed over the modem is miniscule compared to the amount shoved through during a download. SDOE is set up to play with a standard modem, so it doesn't care if you have the ability to crank out Megabits/sec. It only needs to see on the low end of Thousands/bits sec.

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