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Topic: What does KERNEL32.DLL do anyways?
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Werner Molders
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posted 12-14- 07:49 PM
   
As a result of stack dumps and "faults" in kernel32.dll, everything from IE (occasionally) and all my sims crash or won't run to begin with. What does this dynamic link library file do anyhow?Werner ------------------
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semmern
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posted 12-15- 02:29 AM
Yeah, it's annoying. But I second Werner's question here: What does it do????IP: Logged |
ArgonV
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posted 12-15- 07:48 AM
All I know is that its a main Windows system file. If it gets corrupted... youre screwed. Suggest a format of the hard drive and a reinstall of Windows9x.IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-15- 08:02 AM
Spanky here... Not sure exactly what it is but I THINK its a main dll, like windows main dll. I hear about kernels all the time and they seem to be the heart of an OS. IP: Logged |
nealg
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posted 12-15- 12:59 PM
Yeah, according to MS and this is very condensed, it is the engine driver behind the 32 bit Windows operation. I think it's main purpose is to cause gpf's and generally make one's life miserable just when you need it the least, but Windows won't operate without it. Personally I hate the little booger, but in all fairness, it is none too fond of me, either.
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Mighty
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posted 12-15- 04:17 PM
It's the core of the operating system. The most basic interfaces to the actual hardware drivers.While the error box says that something bad happened in Kernel32, often the real problem is in the piece of code that calls Kernel32. It gave Kernel32 bad information, like a pointer to bogus memory, and when kernel32 tries to access it the CPU throws an exception. Therefore, when you're getting a crash in Kernel32, it may not be Kernel32 that is corrupt. It's far more likely that your video driver, or sound driver, or joystick driver, or your application is actually corrupt. It's sometimes hard to narrow down, because pretty much everything goes through Kernel32 pretty often. [This message has been edited by Mighty (edited 12-15-2000).] IP: Logged |
ReaperMan
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posted 12-15- 05:58 PM
Yeah I couldn't figure out why Internet Explorer ALWAYS crashed on a particular customer's computer.
I reverted to 4.0, same thing, removed ALL files associated wih IE, reinstalled 4.0, no luck, tried 5.0, same thing. 5.5... still no go. Then on a whim as my very last resort I replaced KERNEL32 (the program crash always referred to it, but I didn't think anything of it.)
Apparently their Kernel file had become corrupt and all that time I thought it was the program that was somehow causing the error.------------------
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Werner Molders
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posted 12-15- 11:32 PM
Wow, thanks guys! I have an appointment with the tech people next Tuesday so this will help a lot in making me a semi-informed customer...Reaper - that's nuts man, ever since I had this computer my IE would occasionally (I could never find the trigger for certain, no one site or plugin call or anything) would crash and give me an "illegal operation" message. It usually happened when I had three or more sessions open, but again not always. Hmm... well I'm going to go looking for the latest drivers for my Voodoo Banshee, but I did that a while back and it seems the product has been somewhat abandonned with a shakeup in Diamond and 3dfx's product lines. (It's a Monster Fusion, to be specific). If anyone has the Monster Fusion drivers, would you mind emailing them to me please? I have a funny feeling I'm going to come up empty on the net. Again, thanks to all of you! Werner  ------------------
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Werner Molders
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posted 12-16- 12:08 AM
Ixnay on the email - I found drivers for the Banshee! Although after reading the Nvidia/3dfx thread on the general forum I realize this isn't exactly cause for celebration...Anyhow, fingers crossed, heeeere we go! Werner ------------------
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Werner Molders
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posted 12-16- 12:22 AM
...foiled again.  Installed the latest Banshee Drivers, but no go. Another kernel error message, and IE crash to boot.Mighty - While it may seem a bit extreme, a hard drive reformat and reinstallation of all my hardware drivers should virtually guarantee a fix for this, right? Not that I'm going to hold you to it or anything, lol, but with your experience I was wondering if it there is even a reasonable chance that a wipe/reinstall will still result in kernel errors (?). Oh well, it was worth a shot. That little bit of hope was quite intoxicating. Werner ------------------
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Mighty
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posted 12-16- 08:38 PM
Yeah, that has probably a 90% chance of fixing the problem. OTOH, I have a friend who has reformatted her drive twice and it's still having problems. She even replaced the drive.On my home machine I blew away my Windows directory last week and reinstalled everything. New drivers for everything I could find. But I'm still seeing the same problems I had before I did all that. So even a reformat isn't a sure fix. But if you're willing to do it, it's the most likely thing to do the job. IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 12-17- 12:08 AM
Encouraging isn't he Werner?  Good luck buddy. IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
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posted 12-17- 04:40 PM
Thanks Mighty. I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers. I don't understand why replacing the whole drive wouldn't do it for that person you mentionned! They say that computers are so deeply rooted in 1s and 0s that any problem ought to be sorted out following some kind of logic, but frankly I think there is more voodoo than science going on sometimes. lol ...In other news, I installed new banshee drivers and DX8. My sims kinda work now, I mean I can use them, but in SDOE the menu rollovers act funny (after I roll something on, then move to another button, the first one either has no text on the button or the text is scattered) and once I'm done in a sim, basic windows functionality is gone (for example the program bar on the bottom doesn't respond, and to turn it off I have to cut the power) so what victory I have achieved by getting my sims to work is pyrrhic at best. Oh well, D-Day minus 2, I can hang there for a while yet. ...and on the bright side this is giving me plenty more time for phase 4 of Project WAM. Werner ------------------
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ArgonV
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posted 12-17- 05:11 PM
Mighty, probably the reason your friends STILL having problems is because her processor has burnt out transistors. Thus sometimes doing certain operations on the computer will cause Illegal Operations, Exception Errors, Page Faults etc... Or it could be the monory going bad.Now about iexplorer quitting all of a sudden or Explorer doing wierd and crazy things... thats Microsofts fault. Their OS has bugs and I have ran into QUITE a few of them... Like closing/opening many many windows over a long period of time will cause Explorer OR iExplorer to do screwy things. IP: Logged |
Aui
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posted 12-17- 05:56 PM
"Reaper - that's nuts man, ever since I had this computer my IE would occasionally would crash and give me an "illegal operation" message. It usually happened when I had three or more sessions open, but again not always.""Like closing/opening many many windows over a long period of time will cause Explorer OR iExplorer to do screwy things." These stuff happen constantly to me. I'd say 90 percent of my strolls on the net ends in this way. Thought it was only my computer but I guess not. Been avoiding that reformat for too long now I think. D_mn that shitty Windows.
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