posted 11-15- 03:43 PM               

They are both 100% wrong. The people have NO assumed right to vote for president of the United States. Rather, each state grants its citiznes the privalage of voting for what its states elector will vote for. Florida could vote for president by taking a vote in Florida's senate if they want.

posted 11-15- 04:18 PM               

Does it scare you that the president can declare war without your vote? That he could draft you without your vote.

It scares me that you have so little understanding or so little faith in or system of government.

posted 11-15- 07:14 PM            

ROFL...

That went right over your head didn't it?

The president CANNOT declare 'WAR' without my vote. Only the Congress of the United States of America can 'DECLARE' war without my vote. Get your facts straight and pull your foot out of your mouth. The president, over the years has been able to engage our military forces, but the Constitution of the United States only authorizes the CONGRESS of the United States be allowed to officially declare war. But I'm sure you already knew that much.

Yes, he can draft me without my vote. But, too bad, I'm a veteran already, and am still in IRR until this coming summer. So don't tell a veteran about being able to get drafted. In fact, what have you done for your country except bitch and moan about paying social security taxes and how bad public teachers suck? People like you make me sick; all you do is bitch and provide no answers. I bet it pains you to know that you are financing my way through school because I selected the Montgomery GI Bill when I was in basic training. I get a $530 dollar a month welfare check for attending at least 12 semester hours of school until my $15,000 runs out. I sure hope this isn't any of your money, cause I would feel really ashamed about the government helping me better myself on your dime. Wow, and then after that, since I enlisted in Texas, all my tuition will be free under the Hazelwood Act....gotta hate that. I wonder who foots the bill for that?

How many US government classes have you took anyway Sv? School is bad correct? SO how did you learn about the government? From Rush Limbaugh or what?

You have no clue as to how much I understand about our system of government. Judging by your brilliant posts full of poetic political insight, I suspect that you get most of your political views from a Republican television commercial. Try thinking for yourself for a change. Sure, people will have different political views based on their income, family up bringing and geographical region, but that doesn't mean that any one is better than the other.

How do you reckon I have such little faith in my government? Gee, didn't I just work for them for five years? Raised the hand and said, "To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."? I think so. That's a lot to sign your ass away to Uncle Sam for five years if you have such little faith the government.

posted 11-15- 07:35 PM               

Well, first, I do not watch TV - well that kind of TV, and I have only seen this "Rush" person once or twice.

Thank God that what I know about politics was not learned in the failing liberal schools.

And how dare you imply that all I do is bitch and mone for my country - I take great offence to that remark. What the hell do you know about that issue?

And the president can declare war of sorts, unless you still think Vieatnam was police action. Sorry I can't spell, I offer no explination for this.

So explain to me sir, where does the constitution give people the right to individualy vote for the president of the United States? I really might be wrong on this, I am far from an expert. But please fill be in about it instead of insulting me for no good reason.

BTW, I do not like the fact that I am paying for you to go to school, not a bit. Now if the military is paying you to go to school in an effort to make up cash in the end by getting better people, I am for that - but this is MAKING me money, not taking it!

And I have answers for EVERYTHING! Haven't you noticed? They might suck in your opinion, but I offer a direct answer FOR EVERYTHING.

In fact I have an entire business plan for a new private school right here, and look on this table, hmmm, a new way to extend and increase the quality of our lives in America - hmmm, I won't even get into what I do everyday...

I am not embarrassed yet, and thanks for trying to ruin my fun time posting here, you are the winner, the first person to make me feel bad to express myself here.

I guess it was fun while it lasted...

posted 11-15- 08:24 PM            

Arguing like a bunch of immature high school debate team kids is useless.

posted 11-15- 11:10 PM               

Now all of you take a hike and clear outta here wontcha?

P.S. Thanks for the comment Lothar.

posted 11-16- 03:16 AM               

A president can't "Draft you without your vote"... Congress (who we directly elect) must pass legislation authorizing a draft, then the president must sign it..

And a President can't declare war...

posted 11-16- 06:35 AM            

What do you mean it shows how much I know about my own program? Trust me, I clearly know what the GI Bill is. Apparently you failed to see the sarcasm in my post.

posted 12-01- 03:34 PM               

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SCALIA: In other words, I read the Florida court's opinion as quite clearly saying, having determined what the legislative intent was, we find that our state Constitution trumps that legislative intent. I don't think there's any other way to read it. And that is a real problem, it seems to me, under Article II, because, in fact, there is no right of suffrage under Article II. There's a right of suffrage in voting for the legislature, but Article II makes it very clear that the legislature can, itself, appoint the electors.

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posted 12-02- 10:23 AM            

Do you even read my posts Mirth? Apparently not, because you never responded to my slamming you for thinking that Dubbya 'passed' strong DUI legislation. Governors don't pass anything.

"I said that the state programs you mentioned "

What state programs did I mention? GI Bill is a federal program.

"You think that the feds just pay that out to you right? Because that is the impression that you give with your posts. "

Oh man, can you honestly sit there and tell me that you didn't see the blatant sarcasm in 'Gi Bill is welfare' post? Get real. I earned that buddy. Protecting people like you and Sv.

I'm I hurting your feelings by making you look stupid? It's all demeaning and abusive. It's really not that hard you know. I make perfect since. My point is to ridicule people like you who don't think for themselves. And it works perfectly. The only people you can bash on for supporting a Democrat is Smokey. While I'm not a loyal Democratic supporter, I am a loyal George W. Bush hater. If you have failed to grasp that concept, then maybe some reading comprehension skills are in order.

And please, don't try to judge my education. Yes, I did recieve a substandard education in Texas. And I'm paying for it right now in college.

Sv,

posted 12-03- 03:20 PM            

GI Bill is federal money, sorry.

"And govenors do sign off on legislation... or aren't you aware of that?"

Well, no shit Sherlock. But they don't 'pass' legislation now do they...you would think the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH does that wouldn't you? You said 'pass' in your post. See, my writing skills are just fine now aren't they?

"What sarcasm? Are you stupid? Did you fail your writing classes in school?"

Yes I'm stupid. No I didn't fail my writing classes. I received an 'A' in English Comp, an 'A' in Literature, and an 'A' in Texas Government, US Government and US History. Not bad for a retard.

"And BTW, I was in the military. What is your point? You think that because you just got out, that you are better than those of us that came before?"

When did I imply this? I have never said anything bad about anyone that has not been in the military. Hey, a fellow vet. I respect all my fellow vets.

"I have learned more without schools than you could ever hope to teach me....but only time will show you that."

Yeah, I am pretty stupid.

"I don't think for myself?"

I'm under the impression that you don't. I could be wrong.

" Good luck little boy. "

Thanks

"All of my views are my own.. but I expect that you are like JT, you think that because I support someone you hate, you must be stupid"

That sentence make no sense whatsoever. Who is the stupid one? Hey, this is a Democracy. You are entitled to support whoever you want. Just as you have the right to call me 'little boy' I have the right to call you stupid. Please don't take it personal though. I don't. Most of you people can't stomach the fact that others may have radical opinions about things. I just happen to think you are a Rush disciple, that's all.

"but I guess you are too immature to realize that is the basis of debate."

Yeah, I guess so.

"Good luck in school....."

Again, thanks. If I try hard enough on finals I may make the Dean's list. Not bad for a stupid, immature little boy, eh?

And just think, I graduated high school almost 10 years ago too.

posted 12-05- 04:42 AM               

That was My typo...the problem with working a graveyard shift and typing when tired.
Should have read "All of my views are my own... but I expect that you are like JT, You think that because I support someone you hate, I must be stupid."
And you have stated that you hate Bush and that is why we are here.. not your radical views on anything other than you hate Bush....I don't have a problem with radical views.... I love to listen to them.... I have heard no radical views at all.... the conservatives have been attacked over and over on our views... hell there haven't been radical views posted in this whole politcal thread.... I would love to see something radical.. having been a punk in the '80's I love radical views....toss some around and lets see where they fall... ;}
I really must say Dan, the state dollars at work was talking about your welfare and the hazelwood act. Come on, that was easy and you still screwed it up? I was answering a direct challenge to you and you didn't even comprehend that?
BTW good grades are not an indication of comprehension.
It would appear that this is getting ugly and should stop... so I will before I keep going.......
I do wish you well in school...

posted 12-09- 03:11 PM               

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The court’s chief justice, however, wrote in a strongly worded dissent that he believed the majority decision “had no foundation in law.”
Justice Wells said he “could not more strongly disagree with their decision to reverse the trial court and prolong this judicial process.” He also said that he did not think that the decision would “withstand scrutiny which will certainly immediately follow under the United States constitution.”
“Importantly to me, I have a deep and abiding concern that the prolonging of judicial process in this counting contest propels this country and this state into an unprecedented and unnecessary constitutional crisis,” Wells wrote. “I have to conclude that there is real and present likelihood that this constitutional crisis will do substantial damage to our country, our state, and to this court as an institution.”

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posted 12-12- 12:53 PM               

I believe it's fairly common for someone to leave school with several thousand dollars of student loans they have to start paying back in a few years. For medical degrees I believe it's not uncommon for students to start out their professional careers $100,000 in debt.

Access to these student aids and loans is based on family income. So the more the parents make, the more they have to set aside for their childrens' education. And of course, the more they can set aside ahead of time the less debt the children will build up while in school.

In general, it looks to me like the people who really want to go to college/university can. The finances can make it hard, but it's not an insurmountable barrier.

posted 12-12- 11:28 PM               

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Right from the latest Supreme Court ruling:

The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right
to vote for electors for the President of the United States
unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide
election as the means to implement its power to appoint
members of the Electoral College. U. S. Const., Art. II, §1.

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Let me ask you again, do the Supreme Court justices scare you? I demand satisfaction!

posted 12-14- 11:53 AM               

Some schools are expensive, some our cheap. I went to a college that my parents could easily afford without saving anything really - but it did impact their budget substantialy.

The problem we have, in my opinion, is that too many kids go to college! We have the idea in America that you MUST go to college to succeed, and nothing could be further from the truth. I studied music in college and do not use it in my job. I am 28 and in the highest tax bracket no thanks to higher education, and so are many of my friends.

See, in America we have a thing called "opportunity." We can start businesses with ease that makes money! My wife and I started a flower shop on $10,000 we saved while living off of our parents and going to college. Within a year we could buy the house we wanted in our town, drive 2 cars, and have allot of vacation time. We also bought the down town building that the shop was in after 4 years. Then a year later we sold the shop in two months.

This is not at all uncommon in America, we have so much small business. Also we give high paying jobs to so many people whith no official training, just so long as they can do a great job. In fact in my field I view a college degree with skepticism! Why did you spend four years in college learning outdated skills during such a great job market?

So our colleges are filled with kids who should not be there, and to support the crowd our schools have become way too expensive for what you get.

Still we can find many fine schools that teach very well and are cheap, but they do not come with a good brand name like "Harvard."

I do not plan on sending my children to college unless they want to be a doctor or lawyer - in these cases college is still good (and you must go anyway) - but the loans are easy because they know you will make the money to pay them back.

We just don't have the idea in America that just because you work hard means you should be given a job, in America it is all about opportunity. We also like our freedom to choose the school that best represents us - instead of having one big national school that you must go to.

posted 12-14- 01:50 PM            

Yep.

"Let me ask you again, do the Supreme Court justices scare you? I demand satisfaction! "

Nope. You scare me King Tut.