posted 11-14- 02:01 PM               

For Gore to suggest that the will of the people is not being done, it clearly and logically incorrect. There can be no clear winner. In a way, what we have is a coin toss- or in this case, two coin tosses that Bush won.

Gore assumes that each time we hand count the votes we get closer to the truth. If this is the case, then will Gore agree to this: we will continue to recount until he (by chance of course) wins. Then we will do one more recount, one step closer to the truth - and we will select that winer as the president.

Of course he would not agree, because statisticaly he only has a 50% chance of winning the next recount, just as he did for the first two coin tosses.

In the end Gore is only happy with the answer of recounting again and again until he wins, so the more margin of error the faster we will see himself come up a winner. Or, if we only recount the Gore rich areas, his lead will be increased due to the new votes being counted.

Mathamaticaly speaking, if there is an entire manual FL re-count, then Bush's lead SHOULD increase. Probability dictates that it is still a 50/50 chance for either candidate - we just do not have the technology to ever get a 100% accurate vote count. But if we re-count all the votes manually it should magnify the original FL numbers, and that should incrase Bush's lead.

posted 11-14- 03:02 PM            

The Bush camp is against it because the Democrats ONLY want to recount specific precincts in specific counties. They have already said they don't like the idea of a statewide manual recount on several occasions.

posted 11-14- 10:13 PM               

The law allows for a manual recount, but it must be done right away. The law is very clear in all aspects - if only the press would read the law! I will find it again...

If they really want a hand recount, it is only fair to recount all of Florida. How could one argue that it is fair to count Gore strong areas only? Why are their votes more important? This is the case that the Bush camp is taking to the federal level, and I am on their side - if not happy with the approach.

posted 11-14- 11:08 PM               

No Tv and no beer make homer go crazy.

Urge to kill FADING

FADING

fading

Gone.

(Some one starts bitching about the recount again.)

Urge to kill RISING.

posted 11-15- 12:27 AM               

I think the recount ought to be stopped and we should live with whoever the overseas absentee ballots give us.

[This message has been edited by JT (edited 11-15-2000).]

posted 11-15- 01:51 PM               

Also, the Bush camp has gone to federal court to have any manual re-count in Florida judged unconstitutional. Hmmmm...

Haven't I heard something about less federal government being better for the people?

Here's the main interesting point: From what I have heard, where the manual re-counts are taking place, there is someone representing the Democratic Party, and someone representing the Republican Party at each table.

The reports I have heard (and boy, I have been watching w-a-a-a-y too much of this crap), in 99.9% of the cases, there is actually no dispute between the party's representatives as to how a vote should be counted.

It seems like the main partisan discord is taking place OUTSIDE of the manual re-counting centers, not INSIDE. Funny that a lot of volunteers eating Domino's pizza and drinking Diet Cokes seem to be conducting themselves better than a bunch of partisan hired guns in $1000 suits.

I also find it refreshing that the majority of the American people actually want to reach a point where they feel that the true will of the people, whichever way it goes, is heard.

And no matter what happens, this is democracy in action. This is what happens when you have our form of government, as opposed to someone walking into the canvassing centers with an AK-47, and says, "Hey, guess what. THIS guy won."

Now instead of that, we have attorneys carrying brief cases, and of course there's a valid argument either way as to which is worse, but this is the type of government we have here, and how we have chosen to do things.

I am also happy that so far, outside of raucous rhetoric and some sign-carrying, we have been free from violent outbursts, and have seen the differing sides use the system (some would say abuse ), and hash it out the way we're supposed to.

I also believe that as the eyes of the world are upon us, it is important that we demonstrate how we here in the United States handle situations like this.

As it continues to unfold, it is important that both sides maintain decorum, and the due process of law is followed.

This, more than a quick and easy solution, is the true demonstration to the people of the world that our system works.

Who really knows how it will turn out? The important issue here is that we truly feel, one way or the other, that the will of the people has been heard, and that the next President of the United States was elected to office truly, fairly, and by due process of law.

I know this sounds crazy, and Prop will probably say I'm full of crap (Prop, don't ever change, I love ya man!), but I have gotten to the point where I don't care as much any more about WHO wins, but HOW. I want the how to be the will of the people, not a bunch of attorneys, and not the members of one political party over another.

Unfortunately, in our country, that means a bunch of attorneys and judges deciding what the will of the people is.

Still better than someone walking into a canvassing center with an AK-47.

Hey, they're not holding any re-counts in Post Offices are they?

posted 11-15- 07:56 PM               

Since far more Republicans than Democrats voted against their own party on the impeachment issue (voting on principal rather than partisan politics as Republicans are more prone to do ) GW should be nervous.

posted 11-15- 08:54 PM               

Now, where's my AK-47?...

posted 11-15- 11:32 PM               

Couldn't resist.. heheheheh
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