posted 10-03- 10:41 PM               

What about that part where gore said that bush wants to give more tax money back to the top 1% of people then he wants to spend on almost anything else.

Yep give the money back to the hard workers indeed.

What ever.

posted 10-03- 10:59 PM               

He didn't drool and arrive wearing a lampshade on his head like many people expected

1% of the people pay for all the poor slobs in America, that is the truth. Stop bashing the rich lest they stop paying our bills

posted 10-03- 11:28 PM               

As soon as you stop calling them hardworking I'll let off on them SV.

Hard working my ass.

posted 10-04- 03:20 PM               

What I ment Jerry is bill gates never worked for the money he has, He made some good deals and musceled his way around.

He didn't WORK for that money.

To me thats not work.

maybe thats just me.

If someone made a TON of money off a good stock market deal did they WORK for that money>?

Nope not in my books, Make them really work and they would give up within 2 hours.

I'm not however saying they don't deserve the money, and maybe they worked hard at one time but don't call them hard workers.

Thats a joke.

I'm also not saying that they deserve to pay more taxes. Both Candadites use crazy numbers to try to sway everyone to their side. they both bend the truth and break it.

Really though the rich pay for there campains so they give back to the rich. If the rich hate the taxes they pay i have a solution for them.

posted 10-04- 04:43 PM            

Then, his father's cronies bought the baseball team in Texas. Bush Jr. used his stock money for a 1% investement. Three years later, his dad's buddies gave him another 14% and sold the team. That is how Bush Jr. made his money.

There is also the year and a half he was supposed to serve a minumum number of days in the Air National Guard in which he did not show up for duty at all. This was during the Vietnam war. In fact, his squadron (the one he showed up to when he felt like it), was called the 'champaign squadron' because it was filled with the sons of powerful people seeking an easy time far from Vietnam.

In the debate, Gore came off as too aggressive and pushy. His sighs were obnoxious. But he clearly is much smarter than Bush, and much more interested in helping the lower 99% of Americans. Bush looked hurt and resentful, like a high school kid who got busted smoking pot behind the gym, and as punishment had to go debate the principal.

Bush's retorts lacked substance and relied on him saying 'that's just fuzzy math' with no refute of Gore's data (except for social security, I think Bush had a good point there).

posted 10-04- 04:47 PM            

Stay out of my pocket, out of my house, and out of my business!!!

Signed, A very proud Texan

posted 10-04- 06:42 PM               

Did you guys know that more people in the US think they have been abducted by aliens then will vote in this election?

Who cares who is leading the country when 38% of the country thinks their special enough to be visited by aliens.

LOL

posted 10-04- 06:54 PM               

You've got to be kidding, man. I mean, Bush definitely held his own and proved he's not as dumb as many people think (something I've long since suspected), but he still came across as mediocre. Half of the time, Gore had to tell Bush what was in Bush's plan. All Bush could do was claim Gore was using "fuzzy Washington math"... all the while never once explaining how the math was Washingtonian or fuzzy.

Bush's rehearsed and stale jokes/zingers also made me cringe.

posted 10-04- 09:58 PM            

Gore is a jackass...he is a tree hugging bullshit artist.

They both suck ass. If you are poor you think the rich should pay for everything. If you are rich you think "why should I pay for poor scum who can't be as successful as me?"

Face it, our country is run by corporate interests and soft money. Bill Gates and his Minions will get off the hook. AOL and Time Warner will get to cozy up soon as well. I just hope I can get some stock in them before the do...HA!

We have a Republican congress right now...let's keep them in check with a tree hugging Democrat. Also, there is likely to be FOUR Supreme Court vacancies within the next presidency, so that is something to think about as well. A Republican prez and a Republican Congress will be a very bad move. Especially with old 'double u', since its obvious that he is so full of corporate bullshit that it's not even funny.

The man promised to raise teachers' salaries to a comparable level when he was first elected Governor. Well, guess what...we still rank 38th in the country in teacher pay. Maybe that's why I'm so stupid....Texas schools are pretty bad.

The only thing Bush could possible do to benefit the US is fix the military. He doesn't have to do a Regan-era build up, but it needs to be fixed. I seriously doubt we could fight another Desert Storm in our present condition.

BAH...I say we elect Clinton permanent king, invade Cuba, send 5 carrier battle groups to the Persian Gulf and tell Israel to go get f$cked.

posted 10-04- 10:34 PM            

Prop out!

posted 10-04- 10:59 PM            

Gore did go to Texas during some fires, not the big ones, but a few years later. This isn't a lie. The worst you could say was that Gore didn't remember when the big fires in Texas were, just that he went to some. This doesn't compare to Bush's saying he wouldn't question the FDA's decision on RU-486, while one week ago he pledged to do exactly that. Or that Bush wants to 'create a climate of life' (repeal Row V Wade) and yet Texas executes more people than any state in the nation while not allowing DNA evidence in court. In case you miss the point, that means innocent people get executed. That is a big-time example of government interfering in people's lives.

I'll also briefly mention Bush's failure to know that the Russians don't support our policy in Serbia. Isn't this on one of those wonderful standardized tests?

I agree that Gore's sighs and interruptions were obnoxious, doubly so because he was pummelling Bush so badly.

posted 10-04- 11:22 PM               

I'm telling you guys it doesn't make a Coon shit of difference when 61% of your country thinks elvis is still alive.

posted 10-04- 11:22 PM               

Not all Texans like Bush (I dispise him). Not all Texans like his standardized tests, nor his stances on education, health, welfare, tort reform, etc, etc, etc.

Propwash may represent some of the Neuvo-Right Republicans of Texas. But, neither he nor Bush represent the minority of Liberal Bleeding Heart Old Guard Democrats like myself.

posted 10-05- 02:18 AM            

Lothar may be wrong, but he is an American I assume, and as such has the right to go toe to toe with me on this issue.

You sir do not. So roll yourself up in your leaf flag and shut the hell up!!

Liberal Texans are a dying breed. Yeehaaaw!

posted 10-05- 05:45 AM            

Actually, this is incorrect. DNA evidence is now being used to uphold and reverse convictions on death row inmates. In fact, we just recently fried a death row inmate after DNA tests showed that he did rape and murder is 8 year old girl.

And this was after Bush gave him a 30 day repreive...gotta love that 'compasionate conservatism' as we head closer to an election...

posted 10-05- 06:39 AM               

Jokes on you boys, Just try to keep me out of it.

I'm an American.

posted 10-05- 08:35 AM               

But let's clarify this as well:

quote:

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I'll also briefly mention Bush's failure to know that the Russians don't support our policy in Serbia. Isn't this on one of those wonderful standardized tests?

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Remember, we were on a hypothetical question! Bush was using this case as an example, so when he says "if the Russians" he is talking that we due to the hypothetcal nature of the question. That was a low and petty hit by Gore.

Gore could win on Jeapordy yes, but is over-riding philosophy is based on ignorance. If he has his real way (and he never will), the people he claims to fight for would suffer most.

Bush is not a grammer king (nor I as you can see), and maybe not even a better debater (lawyer), but he truely understands what makes this country great and succesful - he knows big business.

Big business is the key to America's success and prosparity. If you take away big business we would all live like they did on "Little house and the prarie." Want to have your barber doing some blood-letting to cure your cold?

You who think big business is evil are traitors to humanity and hypocrits! You benefit from big business everyday, unless you are one of those guys living in Montana... then you at least you are not a hypocrit, just a traitor.

I least I am thankful for what I have and want to conserve it, thus am I a conservative.

posted 10-05- 11:33 AM               

Just wondering SV do you think the world is a happier place because of big buisness>?

Just happiness, would you say on the whole that your are a happier person.

posted 10-05- 12:34 PM            

Prior to those evil big businesses this country was primarily an agrarian (that means farming, boys and girls ) society that suffered a great deal more disease and poverty than many 'third world' nations do now. Yes there are evils in big business... but there are evils in mom-and-pop businesses too. You like that computer your working with? Never woulda happened without the big businesses. You like speaking english instead of German under a Nazi Reich? Then thank the big businesses who footed much of the bill and stepped up and provided weapons and equipment to fight the war, often at cost, that kept you free.

Do I think that people are happier for big businesses existing. Hell yes. We as a society have more leisure time and money for leisure activities than 90% of the world - because our big businesses are succesful. When the businesses are succesful the people prosper, thus the economic boom - both for business and individuals of the 90's. An example the other way is the failing automotive industry of the late 70's and the the 80's - remeber that recession? Big business fails and happiness and prosperity go with it.

Now, I agree that big business can have too much power and in many cases does, but to say that big business is bad and does no good is very narrow sighted (albeit you haven't actually said that in so many words). Many large corporations do tremendous things for the communities they are located near and for the country in general. You have to remember that big business is made up of people, just like you and me, not some giant monster waiting to devour all that is good and holy.

As for who won the debate... I'll call it a draw myself. And at this point, for me, it's still looking like a choice between the lesser of two evils/nitwits.

posted 10-05- 01:16 PM               

I don't know stark, Somtimes i have thought we would be much better off without all this technology.

People buy all this stuff thinking it will make them happier. But does it really>?

I don't think so.

posted 10-05- 02:13 PM               

Stark said it all.

posted 10-05- 03:52 PM               

Money=happiness.

posted 10-05- 04:09 PM            

For me happiness is being able to provide for the material needs of my family and not work so much that I can't provide for their emotinal needs as well. Right now, I'm pretty darned happy.

posted 10-05- 04:24 PM               

But a system where money is used as a tool to turn incentive into productivity does foster a happy environment!

Don't forget, only productivity = wealth and ultimatly a high standard of living. Without productivity money is USELESS! Who cares if you have a million dollars but nothing to spend it on?

The money system rewards productivity by creating a fair system - to some extent. Sure, people will rob banks, and big business may at times hold too much power, but these are slight problems compared with having no financial system.

If big business suffers, YOU will suffer dramaticly, this is a fact - a fact that Gore (and many liberals) deny. There are many liberals who understand this though, and I am not saying that "bigger" government is always bad, the new deal is an example of a successful use of governemt to solve a private problem.

I just don't think we have such a problem right now.

If you think there will ever be a day when all people have the same stature and wealth, then you are wrong - thank God! Who wants to live in such an unfair world...

But I do hope to see the day when the worst off person in America can afford many nice things and has ample choice for bettering him/herself - if they want.

I do not dislike unambitions people either, the opposite! It takes all kinds, some want to just show up and do little work with no responsibility, I admire them. I only ask that they do not disapprove of MY ambition and my wealth, let me be free to better the world, let me be free to work 18 hour days, let me be free to be unhappy!!!

Great men's happiness is not found in the simple joys of life, a great man's happiness is found in his accomplishments, wheather they be for good or evil, help or hurt humanity. In the end, the man is about the challenge... so long as it is taken on. Win or lose is not the matter, but the attempt - this brings dignity to man!

Bush is not a nitwit, he is on a path to become a great man. He may not have it in him to accomplish his ambitions, but only he can determine this.

Along the same line, Gore is a great man, UNLESS he is living a lie. If his goal is really to help poor people AND he thinks his way will really work, then he is a great man indeed!

Clinton was not a great man, he was a petty traitor to humanity, EVEN if he did good things for people! Clinton is NOT really for what he says he is for, he is a conservitive like me. He only uses the liberal viewpoint for his political success. But then again, if political success was his only goal, then he would be a great man! Alas, this is not true! Clinton really wanted to help America - this I believe... Clinton is not a great man.

posted 10-07- 10:52 AM               

First off:

Money is a large part of happiness.

Liberal arts majors dont like to hear that, but its the truth.

As for Gore's 1% bullshit:

The wealthiest people in this country pay up to 50% of their income to the IRS. Thats screwed up.

Bush is giving a tax cut to everyone. Its just that, when you give a 1 or 2% taxcut to the wealthiest Americans, it adds up to a lot of money.

How can Bush cut taxes so much? Because he's not spending the money on governement programs that dont accomplish anything except to have greater interference in the lives of the people.

I was undecided until recently. Bush isnt the brightest star in the sky, but Gore is a tax and spend liberal. Moreover, I suggest you read about his lies.
http://www.nationalreview.com/gorelies/gorelies.shtml

posted 10-07- 11:38 AM               

What a crock Falck, I can't belive you actually believe that, I'm hoping your being sarcastic.

Don't complain about taxes man, We pay WAY more taxes then you guys down there.

posted 10-07- 12:10 PM               

I disagree. The reason Bush can cut so much is because he's spending far less on prescription drugs, education, health, and defense. All things that I think we can agree are important. On top of that, his plan to privatize social security is... well... risky.

For me, however, the most frightening aspect of Bush's vision for America is his plan to ressurect the concept of a national missile defense system. Even though Bush is spending a mere $45 billion on defense (as opposed to Gore/Leiberman's $100 billion), Bush wants to build this ridiculous missle defense system that was first envisioned in the 1980s... a system that simply won't work, would cost too much, and that is not even necessary. I would rather the money get put into paying our military. I don't think even Reagan would support the SDI (think it's called NMDI now) program today.

I agree, it's not fair that the rich have to pay so much, but Bush's plan simply does not add up.