posted 08-02- 05:31 PM               

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Helmet opponent dies in helmet-less motorcycle accident in Florida
August 1, 2000
Web posted at: 8:06 AM EDT (1206 GMT)

FORT MYERS, Florida (AP) -- A motorcycling enthusiast who applauded Florida's new helmet-free law has died as a result of a motorcycle accident in which she wasn't wearing a helmet.

Dorthy Lynette Rushton, 40, smashed her Harley-Davidson early Saturday morning and was thrown more than 50 feet. She died Monday from injuries she sustained in the crash.

Rushton probably would have survived had she been wearing a helmet, said Florida Highway Patrol Cpl. John Schultz. He said alcohol was a factor but the lack of a helmet "greatly" contributed to her injuries.

Gov. Jeb Bush last month signed into law a measure to let motorcyclists age 21 and older ride without helmets if they carry $10,000 in insurance. It took effect July 1.

Friends said motorcycle riding was Rushton's passion -- especially without a helmet.

"Lyn wanted to do what she could, even in her death," close friend Kristi Piscitelli said. "She knew this could happen."

posted 08-02- 06:36 PM               

Her fault. Bet her family is happy.

I wouldn't say that the law should be changed since people like their feedom. But if they ever get rid of the seat belt law here, I'll still wear one.

Heck they can make hard core drugs legal for all I care. I still won't be using them.

Who actually does anything because law says they should or shouldn't do it nowadays anyway?

posted 08-02- 06:39 PM               

At least she died, the $10,000 might cover the funeral. Who was going to pay for her medical if she had lived? $10,000 is about one day's worth in intensive care. Who was going to support her if she had become a vegetable or another Christopher Reeves?

How many other people are going to die because of her getting the law changed?

posted 08-05- 11:03 PM            

Study up on Government proceedures before showing your colors so vividly!

posted 08-06- 09:50 AM               

You might as well pass lawes against red meat and risky walking in the vacinity of road traffic... you know how many people are killed walking near or on roads?

As far as the poor gal, it is only a tregedy because her death mocks her cause... too bad that. I applaud her for her true patriotism if not her lack of caution.

I don't wear seatbelts unless I am on thehighway or other dangerous road. It is my right to take my own risks where I see fit, do you really want to trust the gov. to take care of you as if you were a child? They can never do better than you, unless you are a dumb ass... I guess maybe seatbelt laws are a vote that you are all dumb asses...

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-Sv =FC=

WWI in SDOE!

posted 08-06- 06:26 PM               

Why should you have the absolute freedom to risk your life, or someone elses, unnecessarily just for a thrill, when the cost of your misfortune falls on the taxpayers or on insurance premium payers?

How is wearing a seatbelt or a helmet restricting your freedom? I doubt if the founding fathers were considering the freedom to have the wind blow in your hair at 60 mph to be worth fighting and dying for! Are you saying that avoiding the imagined discomfort of a seatbelt is an "inalienable right".

Get real. Are you giving me the freedom and right to live on welfare and let you support me? If so, I will email my address and you can send the check directly to my home. That way we can cut out the government buracracy.

I want the freedom to NOT have to pay for the mishaps of idiots who refuse to protect themselves. What about my freedom?

posted 08-06- 09:49 PM               

Well lets say she is a single mom with 5 young kids and no relitives.

Who fits the bill from now till they are 18, and up here in ontario at least if you are on childrens aid you get to go to college on the goverments wallet.

If we want totally personal freedom without making the public foot the bill when we screw up then we will have to kill off the kids of any dumbasses that get there self killed. Course that kinda cuts into the kids personal freedom.

Just to rerererererestate the obvious there is no such thing as total personal freedom short of anarchy, none of us are any where are even close to free. Don't fool yourselves or your as stupid as that chick was.

I'm sure any of us could name off at least 100 ways your personal freedom is infringed upon more then a seatbelt law.

BTW SV what good is putting your seatbelt on on the highway when some asshole is going to hit you broadside (no airbag to help you there) doing 100miles an hour down a small back road what makes a road any less dangerous with all the loser drivers out there? What makes you trust them more then your goverment?

posted 08-07- 10:35 AM               

Smokey, liberals want to seperate me from my hard earned money. I'm trying to hold on to it.

posted 08-07- 11:23 AM               

My dad doesn't want me to fly ultralights, he thinks it is do dangerous. F him, the wus.

If everyone thought like you, aircraft of all types would have been banned fromt the start.

Danger is a personal thing... my dad mocks the fact that a rarely wear a seat belt, yet the other day he was passing cars on his bike going down a hill, he was doing 45 in a 30! passing on the right! And he thinks I am reckless? BTW Spanky - I am aware of the risks. I just know that on the highway where I live the traffic stops very fast often and there is a good chance you will get it int he rear ot hit the guy in front of you. I do think seatbelts are safer and stuff, I just don't like them all the time around town and stuff, oh well...

Stairs kill many many people, but multi level houses are still leagal?

Haveing a trampoleen or pool in your yard is as dangerous as driving with no helmet... worse! Many kids die because of this, it is not even just a self-endangering thing.

You want to talk about tax burdens? I am sick of paying my tax $ to moron teachers who produce filth. I am tired of feeding drug users habit with my tax money, let them starve, bastards!

If she wore her helmet she would be in a comma costing you much much more money, better to die quick anyway...

And how dare people have kids who can't afford them, why should I pay for that? Most people who can afford moter cycles and ultralights are not tax burdens, and many of them pay more in taxes each year than you make... are you really concearned about taxes? Coming down on the non-helmet wearing citezens is probably the most ass-backward apporach I have ever heard of...

No, you don't really care about the tax issue, it is a power thing, you want to legislate your viewpoints. You think seatbelts are good, you wear seatbelts, make everyone do it.

Just be happy it is on your side this issue, because trust me, one day you will be on the other side, and that day you will learn the real power of freedom and the fear of loss of freedom.

My father in law almost died becuase the so-called doectors would not let my wife give him her kidney, she had kids and was young. You would agree... what if something happened to her? Go hide under a rock.

We fought long and hard, and by using the liberal press we put enough pressure on to get it done, thank God! He ui healthy as a horse, my wife too, and she looks way better than a horse in fact.

By the way, he pays enough in taxes each year to take care of every non-helmet related medical cost... but he wouldn't be paying a single cent of your precious taxes if you liberal bastards would have killed him. (there, I called Jerry a liberal hehe)

I am not anti regulation, just anti helmet and seatbelt regulation because they are clearly unconstitutional and cut way deep into personal freedom.

I am not a libertarian - I care too much about the power, wealth, and ideals of our country as a nation - I am a patriot! A libertarian is happy when free even if everyone in the country is poor and uses their freedom to smoke dope all day. I am a true conservative atheist who believes in the constitution and trusts that people will make the right choice more times than not. Very smart regulaitons and legislation is required to run a largely free succesful country like we do, but each case is important, and there is no such thing as a comon sense law, each law cuts into our precious freedom and we need to be very carefull... but at the same time not afried to regulate either...

So there!

-Sv

posted 08-07- 01:07 PM               

Wa, Sv name me some laws that DON'T infring on your personal freedom?

Now thats A list That I would like to see.

What laws DO you agree on? Sorry if the laws are made for the good of a people instead of the good of YOU.

When did you become a doctor? and when did you PERSONALLY check over that woman who died? How would you know she would be in a coma?

So what about your kids? Do they buckle up when your on a so called safe street? If so your infringing on their freedom. If not your stupid. And when they die and the doctor says they might have lived if they had been belted in?

Well you can live with it, I won't have to.

The thing is, that flying an ultralight carries risk yes, i'm not saying ban it as i plan on having one somday if not a true homebuilt aircraft. But I will be investing in a small aircraft parachute. This is a case of minimizing the risk when you can. THAT my freind is why we have licencing and seat belts, parachutes, roll cages and fire suits in auto racing. My seat belt Rarly ever bugs me, I never understood the problem with them. I grew up with them though. Why even invest in a baby seat, just throw them in the trunk, and home they will get enough air and that you won't be rear ended. Oh yeah keep that for the really dangerous roads LOL.

posted 08-07- 01:49 PM               

But some laws ONLY infringe on personal freedom. Any law that only protects the person at his own personal level is non-constitutional.

Why don't we just pass a "no falling down" law, will this save lives?

I also believe that kids are their parents responsibility 100%, they are not to be protected by anyone but the parent. Otherwise why not just take everyone's kids away adn let the state raise them correctly? You must love the "it takes a village" saying...

It can be sad when you see another parent endangering a child, but that is the harsh reality of life. Your job is to educate othe people to your views so that happens less.

I took my 2 year old home yesterday with no car-seat, so kill me. I bet she grows up to kick any of your kids ass, but that is my fatherly pride speaking If your kid is in a car seat, it is OK to drive like an idiot? Good driving is better than hopefull protection. Although I admit this was the first time she was not in a child seat... I never had a car seat growing up, oh the humanity!

You know Catholics think that denying your child the proper religous upbringing/ceromonies is the worst evil posible, dooming your child to an eternity in hell? What could possibly ever give them the right to inflict the view onto me via regulation?

The point is that your liberal (and not automaticly wrong) view point only works if everyone has the exact same value system and ideals. If major differnces of opinion exist, how could it ever work?

Newt pointed out that a free capitalistic demecracy can only exist if people have a certain critical mass of ideals and views of life in common. This is true. If everyone was an island then only a prison set up would work to keep society stable. If everyone has identical view points then you have entered the real hell, man was not made to live the "Imagine" song. You don't need to imagine, the wold would be so boring, as bad as life long solitarey confinement, it would physicaly kill you.

So we are left with the greatest compramise in the world, A free country that regulates and polices based on a majority rule.

ALL I am trying to do here is express MY view, and many agree with me. If we are a majority then that law is off the books! NH has NO seatbelt law, Live free and die free.

But I am safer here than many many places in the US...

We so few accidents, what do you want to gamble on? I don't like seatblets, I feel restricted and it takes away some of the pleasure of my Sunday cruise. I pop in and out of small stores on erands, it is nice to hop in and out.

But if I have to wear seatblets it is not th end of the world, just the begging of the end heheh. It is a tug of war. I give an inch and next thing I know they do away with my right to pilot an ultralight with no lisense (and therfore very little money) required.

Never give up a freedom without a thought, freedom is a fleeting thing...

posted 08-07- 02:19 PM               

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The thing is, that flying an ultralight carries risk yes, i'm not saying ban it as i plan on having one somday if not a true homebuilt aircraft.

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This is exactly what SV is talking about. You want an ultralight or a kit aircraft, but some people think theyre dangerous. If there were a movement to get rid of them then what? Its the same argument with gun ownership. People use them to do bad things, so lets ban them and deprive the millions of people who use them lawfully of them. If you value personal freedom you have to stick up for everyone else's rights, otherwise there will be no one to help you when you find yourself in a similar situation.

This is my gripe with this year's presidential election. We're stuck between Al Gore, who will broaden to government's reach into areas where it shouldnt be, and dubya, who is receiving so much cash from corperations and the religious right that our rights will be stepped on by those two groups.

posted 08-07- 03:16 PM               

I too am a little worried about GW's attachment to the right, but I really think that it will have much less importance in his presidency. He pushes the right very clevly into "compasionate conservitism" which deflects and true sting. Here he chanels energy that could be negative into the positive conservitive notion that people help people best at a personal, not government level. I feel the same way and my effort to help my fellow man happens in my own non-religious efforts - the counter to the right with compas. conservitism. In other words I fund education to teach votech level students information technology - now I get better employees and people get better paying jobs doing more fun work. But this only works if I see their faces and interact with them at the local cummunity level.

As far as big biz, this is where Bush shines, he understands the fragile ecco system that is big business capitalism, unlike McCain. It is a tricky word that is at the heart of our high standard of living, the checks and balances there are fragile. GW can keep this alive while keeping the proper American dreram alive - this is the key to my strong support for GW.

posted 08-07- 04:13 PM               

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he understands the fragile ecco system that is big business capitalism, unlike McCain.

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posted 08-07- 06:43 PM               

Its all a bunch of bullshit.

How many seconds does it take to take off or put on a seatbelt SV? Boy you must be pressed for time.

Do we have permission to kill off your offspring when you die in a car accident so we don't have to pay for their raising?

posted 08-07- 07:05 PM               

I see I am waisting my time here... and btw, my off spring can take care of themselves, can't yours? Or were you to stupid to become wealthy? There should be a law: no having kids until you can fund their entire lives in case you die. Right?

So what nice thing do you punks say to people who really fund your miserable life with their tax dollars? Where is their thank you? You just hate them... you thankless people.

You know the cool thing? They still rule you, oh you poor victems! And they always will... no matter what sytem of goverment or form of economy, they will preside over your life. Always has been, always will be - the great fairness of nature! Effort and empty words do not beat success and true knowlede...

posted 08-07- 07:23 PM               

-Sv

posted 08-07- 11:20 PM               

All i'm saying SV, is when you can take a percaution Why not take it?

I'm getting personal life insurance now that i have a child and will soon start putting money into an account to see that he can afford to go to school.

I always wore seatbelts and will countinue too. He shall be using a baby seat at all times. Do I really care if I can't get out of the car in a split second, Even on the safe roads? Nope.

BTW are you getting a small craft parachute for your ultralight? or are you too good of a pilot? or will that infringe on your freedoms?

Will you wear your harness while flying?

posted 08-08- 01:09 AM               

I don't know about you but being told I'll be videotaped, have my correspondence read and forced to pee in a cup sounds more like prison than freedom and it would bother me a a lot more than having to wear a seatbelt to keep my melon in one piece in a car accident.

TS

posted 08-08- 08:49 AM               

You will be happy to know that I have set up a full privacy page in the Schoolmusic.com handbook about this very topic. Phone and email are both considered private to the employee and will never be monitored or reviewed for any purpose what so ever. I feel very strongly about this as you do. I do think a company has the right to do it if they choose, but they also have the right to suck and I am never working there. Or I will work there and don't give a damn about the policy, they can fire me if they can want, whatever...

Spanky,

I will always wear a harness while flying and yes, I am getting an ultralight parachute, they work great! A harness is needed when flying lest a puff of air send you out of your plane! The chute is great for structural issues so common with ultralights. I don't need a law to tell me to do these things any more than I need a law to tell me not to eat nails.

I shouldn't have to do this, but you seem so curios Spanky. Why don't I wear seatblets? Well I am a bit sick, I have very high anxiety - probably because I never sleep and do way to much stuff. It started in music school when I was studying composition and playing oboe in the orchestra. I puished the limits and "fooled" the system, I had only played oboe for two months, now I was on the spot in a good orchestra with big solos... the pressure was amazing - not that I couldn't play the notes - I did not have the muscle endurance! So I could not make it all the way through my solos... my lips would give, this caused emmense shame... so month after month I grew more sick from stress, eventually I feared even getting through a concert sitting in my seat not playing a note. I did not know how serious this was then...

Anyway, I got sick enough that I could not go out to dinner or drive in a car with someone else... I developed a claustraphobia... it sucked, especially with the high profile work I had to do, giving speaches and stuff.

Anyway I have worked hard for about 8 years and I am almost totaly better, but I still have REAL trouble flying because of the close-in social setting with no escape... I will beat this too... I do still fly, I just suffer very much.

So the hold over of this is that I avoid any negative stress producing thoughts every second of my life - I try to develope a "live-crazy" attitude. If I contsantly worry about "what might happen" then it can feed my stress cycle. So I think little of chance based mishaps like car crashes and getting cancer.. also seatbelts make me feel more traped in... not too bad, but it does agrivate my stress if you can believe that... maybe you have to have been through it to really understand.

Never stay stressed... big stress for periods of time is fine, but any more than a year of heavy stress will make you a very sick person for a very long time... and there are no laws against stress Spanky - and many more people suffer from this very avoidable sickness than die from not wearing seatbelts...

-Sv

posted 08-08- 10:11 AM            

Preach on!

posted 08-08- 05:08 PM               

See now that I can understand.

I'm not saying listen to the law. I'm just saying why not take percautions and save everyone heartache and money when you can.

I totally understand what stress can do to you. Not to that level but I do really understand how much it can mess up your life. Since its so automatic for me I don't dwell on why I'm putting it on. It just goes on.

Good luck with the ultralight. Are you building it yourself in kit form or buying one complete?